Hivel
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Yep. My MPH was down about 2 MPH. The DA was between 1300&1600; so, I thought the MPH loss was caused by my failed 100 octane test.
Maybe it’s all the wild fire smoke we’ve got here in NorCal right now.?
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Maybe it’s all the wild fire smoke we’ve got here in NorCal right now.?
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sdiver68
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Modern nannies can be great at what they do. Depends on how they are tuned. They do reduce driver skill importance even at the highest skill levels of pro racing including F1.
Lockdown18GT
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I’m not sure but I’m going to sac test n tune Saturday so I will see the reading there
Norm Peterson
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I agree with what sdiver posted above with respect to calibration. What F1 drivers get in their race cars is a far cry from what you and I get in our street drivers, which as top priority have to keep the least skilled drivers out of as much trouble as reasonably possible.
I can certainly agree with the part I just put in boldface ↑↑↑ . Smoother driving styles are less likely to get the electronics interested in the proceedings, and if this suggests calculus - that was involved in developing FMVSS 126.
Separately, I can't ignore the likelihood of the pro driver needing to toe the politically-correct line here, and I also think that you have to experience a way-too-soon nanny intervention or two in order to have a more balanced opinion.
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Nobody pulls out of the Cars and Coffee parking lot (with TC/SC off) planning on slamming into the curb sideways. That's only the "other" guys who are idiots and don't know how to drive.
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Norm Peterson
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I'm sure nobody ever plans to let their cars get out of control. They just don't know where the limits are (or in some cases even accept that there are limits).
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growler
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Before nannies there wasn't enough horsepower and good enough tires around to get into too much trouble at high speed... traction was broke early and often....with roots superchargers and "summer" compound tires, the limits of the car will change dramatically with a ten degree temperature change..your plus 20-30 hp and tire traction is lost just because its 50 degrees out and not 60..i got sideways at 70 mph on a ramp punching it on a 50 degree day..the same ramp I had successfully romped it up to 100 many times before with a tuned gt500
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I suppose I could suggest that nannies really are necessary for those who can't step outside their drag-racing mindset, or for whom there is nothing between a fully stuck-down "driving on rails" feeling and the car suddenly snap-spinning completely loose. In those respects, emphasis on straight line quickness (ET's, 0-60's, response to either standing-start or rolling street challenges, etc.) is setting people up for possible, even probable failure by emphasizing that "lots of throttle really fast" is the way all hard driving should be done.
Where you talk of "punching it", I would be "squeezing into the throttle". At any temperature, in any car, and I've been driving that way for nearly as long as I've held a driver's license. The difference in outcome on the street can be larger than the difference in 'tone' between 'punch' and 'squeeze', and the 'punching it' driver is by far the person more likely to get past the point where outside assistance becomes necessary to keep the car on the black stuff.
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Where you talk of "punching it", I would be "squeezing into the throttle". At any temperature, in any car, and I've been driving that way for nearly as long as I've held a driver's license. The difference in outcome on the street can be larger than the difference in 'tone' between 'punch' and 'squeeze', and the 'punching it' driver is by far the person more likely to get past the point where outside assistance becomes necessary to keep the car on the black stuff.
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growler
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you missed the point completely and wasted too many minutes off my life reading your response...all I was saying is modern cars ,tires and engines are a lot different than they were 15 years ago they break loose hard and fast at a higher speed then they used to and they sneak up on you without computer I haven't had a wreck on 28 years or a ticket in 15 ..i'm good i'm just spreadingmy observations... wanna race?
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And that is why we need the addition of rockets along with traction control. Here is one example on a motorbike but cars would have 10:
The thrusters would provide extra downforce to the wheels during a dig to ensure the wheels don’t slip as well as stability enhancement in cornering and such. The rockets would be renewed by gas’s piped into storage units inside the cars on the go as it were. So far the only production car hinted to have this is the Tesla Roadster but the tech is widely compelling.
And no, I’m not making this up...
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I should also add I was driving a hybrid commercial truck last week that had so much torque that I could kick out the rear end at part throttle on the go. The vehicle would get squirrelly if the roads had any water on them. Plus when I attempted to catch a light in a sweeping corner all wheels broke loose and I was in this bizarre 6 wheel drift and had to back off and I had to wait for the light. An hour before I was driving a heavy truck that had this 13 litre turbo 6 that supposedly had more than 2000 pound feet of torque (similar to a Volvo D13) but could barely hit 40 klm on a hill - something wrong there... 
So maybe they do need traction control but personally I like the full manual thing. More fun that way until you crash!
So maybe they do need traction control but personally I like the full manual thing. More fun that way until you crash!
Norm Peterson
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It's really about driver discipline. If you have enough of this, you won't be triggering A-T in the first place and it need not even be there.
For the people who were sufficiently disciplined at the controls 15 years ago to keep their cars on the black stuff, if their discipline hasn't kept pace with increases in the available performance, why hasn't it?
As a side note, early steel belt radial tires tended to transition very abruptly from manageable slip and slip angles into full-blown slides and spins. The speeds involved were slower, but too abrupt is still too loose too quickly.
I'll see that 28 of yours . . . and raise you another 20. Maybe another nickel on that 15. Just a different set of observations.
There's no doubt in my mind you'd beat me at anything that even looks like a drag race. Even if I was driving a car that was nominally quicker than what you were driving. I really am that bad.
But how about timed laps around NJMP/Lightning in the pouring rain, nannies off?
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Zinc03svt
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Damn, you all like to chat a lot. Lol.
So....are most people running their cars at the drag track with advtrac unplugged or plugged in? My car shifts a lot harder unplugged with 300a.
So....are most people running their cars at the drag track with advtrac unplugged or plugged in? My car shifts a lot harder unplugged with 300a.
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And I still haven't got any guidance as to how to identify the plug to unplug...
Zinc03svt
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If your facing front of car look to the right of the airbox just under fender edge. Only one there to unplug. You will know you got it when you start car and see advance track and traction control lights on dash.
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