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And yet Ford cant even cant even produce a Ring time for their halo super car the Ford GT...........

Such a blind Chevy fan boy. "The car hasn't even come out, we think it's going to make 50-100 more HP than the Chevy, but no way is it possible that the GT500 can be faster than the ZL1 1LE." Do you realize how dumb you sound? And then you throw on top of it that you think your Camaro is faster than a mid engine supercar.

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[Notagain]

Such a blind Chevy fan boy. "The car hasn't even come out, we think it's going to make 50-100 more HP than the Chevy, but no way is it possible that the GT500 can be faster than the ZL1 1LE." Do you realize how dumb you sound? And then you throw on top of it that you think your Camaro is faster than a mid engine supercar.

Where did I say it was faster? I said it was right in the ass of the GT.

Fan boy No not at all. Until Ford proves otherwise the ZL1 1LE is easily the fastest in the pony car segment.

As for the GT500R LOLOLOL lets just see them get a regular GT500 to showrooms 1st.

As for a KR version well those were previous gen GT500s built by Shelby America, by that note should we involve builders like the Hennessey versions of the Camaro too? LOL

Fan boy nope not at all GM simply has far better track car and Dodge will be pretty damn hard to top in the HP wars.

As I said the only thing I think the GT500 will bring thats new to the pony car segment that GM and Dodge d9nt have is a DCT transmission.

It wont touch any other benchmarks.

 

[Notagain]

Whys the GT500 so late?

Ford engineers be like were almost ready to put a car out!

Aww fuck GM released a ZL1 and a ZL1 1LE back to the drawing board.........

Ford engineers be like ok now were almost ready!

Aww fuck Dodge released a Demon and a Redeye back to the drawing board.......

Ford engineers he like ok now were almost ready!

Aww fuck it lets just take a GT350 put a 5.2 supercharged engine in it with these old headlights weve got laying around and call it a GT500 customers are getting pissed this is taking so long!

This car isnt going to cost less than 80k and that too will push alot of buyers that have already waited for what seems like forever away empty handed.....

All Im saying is this car is wayyyyy over due and it better be worth the wait but I have serious doubts.

Fords Halo for this gen Mustang is the GT350R

Engine alone is worth price of admission in a GT350 at lesst thats something special.

 

[Hack]

I can agree with some of what you said there. The Voodoo is a great engine. And Ford hasn't been in a hurry to release the GT500. I don't really blame them, as the GT350R has been heaped with praise from most reviewers. Even when compared to the big HP Chevys most reviewers said they would prefer to buy the Ford. So Ford really doesn't have a strong motivation to hurry with a GT500 release. No one has been able to overshadow Ford's halo cars from 2015 and earlier yet.

But why do you think there's something surprising about the ZL1 1LE or any of the other Camaro offerings that would cause a delay? Why do you think Ford would be surprised that Dodge is offering high HP Challengers?

The ZL1 1LE is a good car, don't get me wrong, but it's just another supercharged V8 with super stiff springs, shocks and some aero. There's nothing unique or surprising about it. It doesn't have carbon fiber wheels, for instance. It doesn't have a unique engine like a twin turbo V8. It doesn't have a DCT. The 10 speed auto is supposed to be good for an auto, but I don't see that as being an amazing development or a leap forward. IMO the ZL1 1LE just is another rip off of Ford's GT500 idea from almost 10 years ago.

 

[Notagain]

If the GT500 isnt going to be as light as a GT350.

The GT500 needs to work extra hard to set utself apart after waiting this long!

It best be light, DCT Trans, 700hp Minimum, and Multimatic suspension, Id like to see cqrbon brakes but dount that too.

BTW the ZL1 has the DSSV suspension I keep bringing up thats eleventybillion times better than mag ride for example.

The ZL1 is not just stiff springs, sways and shocks...........

 

[obspsd]

If the GT500 isnt going to be as light as a GT350.

The GT500 needs to work extra hard to set utself apart after waiting this long!

It best be light, DCT Trans, 700hp Minimum, and Multimatic suspension, Id like to see cqrbon brakes but dount that too.

BTW the ZL1 has the DSSV suspension I keep bringing up thats eleventybillion times better than mag ride for example.

The ZL1 is not just stiff springs, sways and shocks...........

The GT500 will be around 4,000 pounds and have 780+hp. Also, about the leaked picture of the blue 2020 GT500, I believe that is the GT500R version.

 

[SVTSNAKE355]

I can agree with some of what you said there. The Voodoo is a great engine. And Ford hasn't been in a hurry to release the GT500. I don't really blame them, as the GT350R has been heaped with praise from most reviewers. Even when compared to the big HP Chevys most reviewers said they would prefer to buy the Ford. So Ford really doesn't have a strong motivation to hurry with a GT500 release. No one has been able to overshadow Ford's halo cars from 2015 and earlier yet.

But why do you think there's something surprising about the ZL1 1LE or any of the other Camaro offerings that would cause a delay? Why do you think Ford would be surprised that Dodge is offering high HP Challengers?

The ZL1 1LE is a good car, don't get me wrong, but it's just another supercharged V8 with super stiff springs, shocks and some aero. There's nothing unique or surprising about it. It doesn't have carbon fiber wheels, for instance. It doesn't have a unique engine like a twin turbo V8. It doesn't have a DCT. The 10 speed auto is supposed to be good for an auto, but I don't see that as being an amazing development or a leap forward. IMO the ZL1 1LE just is another rip off of Ford's GT500 idea from almost 10 years ago.

You are correct. All Garbage Motors did was copy FORD.

 

[Notagain]

The GT500 will be around 4,000 pounds and have 780+hp. Also, about the leaked picture of the blue 2020 GT500, I believe that is the GT500R version.

I hope youre wrong.

I really really reallly hope it does NOT use the 2015 headlights thats embarassing for a halo car.

That blue cars front end is ugly too with the black bumper between the upper and lower grills

You are correct. All Garbage Motors did was copy FORD.

LOL did you hit your head today?

 

[Darkane]

I hope youre wrong.

I really really reallly hope it does NOT use the 2015 headlights thats embarassing for a halo car.

That blue cars front end is ugly too with the black bumper between the upper and lower grills



LOL did you hit your head today?

Old headlights and the old engine fueling system. They couldn’t do the DI from the gen three coyote with the supercharger. Only the port injection from the gen two and prior coyotes.

That’s what the leaked pics showed anyway.

 

[SVTSNAKE355]

I hope youre wrong.

I really really reallly hope it does NOT use the 2015 headlights thats embarassing for a halo car.

That blue cars front end is ugly too with the black bumper between the upper and lower grills



LOL did you hit your head today?

Were you punched in the face today

 

[Hack]

If the GT500 isnt going to be as light as a GT350.

The GT500 needs to work extra hard to set utself apart after waiting this long!

It best be light, DCT Trans, 700hp Minimum, and Multimatic suspension, Id like to see cqrbon brakes but dount that too.

BTW the ZL1 has the DSSV suspension I keep bringing up thats eleventybillion times better than mag ride for example.

The ZL1 is not just stiff springs, sways and shocks...........

I don't agree with most of this. Carbon brakes are too expensive to put on a Mustang IMO. I think it was a big mistake for Chevy to put them on the Z/28. Now they know better and left them off their more recent Camaros.

IMO DSSV sucks, unless you want a race only car. Might as well gut the interior, put in a roll cage, full halo seats, etc. Bigger hammer engineering.

I'm more impressed with unique and new solutions to problems than making a car that will kidney punch you whenever you encounter a pebble in the road.

Chevy can put that crap on the next Camaro (if they keep making it after all the layoffs) when they are still trying to catch up to Ford.

 

[Darkane]

IMO DSSV sucks, unless you want a race only car.

I'm more impressed with unique and new solutions to problems than making a car that will kidney punch you whenever you encounter a pebble in the road.

Ford GT sucks??

DSSV are amazing technology. They can be very versatile, they’re on the ZR2 too.

Unique and new solutions to problems are only good if they work. If the car is still slow but had neat carbon coil springs, is that better? It’s more expensive just to say it has these pieces. Yes, it’s possible the 500 will have carbon composite coils.

 

[Notagain]

Old headlights and the old engine fueling system. They couldn’t do the DI from the gen three coyote with the supercharger. Only the port injection from the gen two and prior coyotes.

That’s what the leaked pics showed anyway.

You mean like a gen3 5.0 with an edelbrock TVS 2650 kit that uses the same rotor pack the GT500 will?

That "predator" or whatever they call the GT500 engine is nothing much more than a 5.2 block cross plane crank some forged internals id expect and maybe a little better flowing heads than the gen3 coyote (cant use gt350 heads because id expect the GT500 to be dual injected too) along with an inverted TVS 2650 blower.

Explain to me again how the GT500 "cant" be duel fuel?

 

[Epiphany]

Word is indeed that the blown 5.2L CPC engine will be port fuel injected only. Ford likely didn't need DI to make good power and passed emissions just fine without it. Space is at a premium and the added, unnecessary complexity may have had something to do with it as well.

 

[Darkane]

You mean like a gen3 5.0 with an edelbrock TVS 2650 kit that uses the same rotor pack the GT500 will?

That "predator" or whatever they call the GT500 engine is nothing much more than a 5.2 block cross plane crank some forged internals id expect and maybe a little better flowing heads than the gen3 coyote (cant use gt350 heads because id expect the GT500 to be dual injected too) along with an inverted TVS 2650 blower.

Explain to me again how the GT500 "cant" be duel fuel?

Leaked engine pics showed no such dual fuel. Only port.

“Looking at both views, it appears that there are no provisions for a high-pressure fuel pump other telltale signs of direct injection, which takes up valuable space in the valley that looks to be occupied by a supercharger. So it would seem that a traditional port-injection fuel system will feed the blown engine, which may simplify the modding process once these cars hit the streets”

https://www.fordnxt.com/news/next-gen-shelby-gt500-5-2-engine-fully-exposed/

I do hope it’s wrong and a dual fuel system shows up.

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