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[Notagain]

Man you are all over the place.

if you think the GT500 will be faster on a road course than a ZL1 1LE you are insane.

It wont and itll cost more too.

Only thing I think the GT500 will bring to the pony car segment is more use of carbon, the 3d printed brake bits and hopefully a 7 speed DCT trans.

Suspension and chassis the 6th gen Camaro has it beat.

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[SVTSNAKE355]

And to clarify, the S550 was NEVER meant to go to all aluminum body shell. There was never any kind of discussion on that, and the costs would have been far far far outside of the Mustang budget. Keep that in mind when you hear F-150 enthusiasts talk about how "now" the entire line or Ford products can "go aluminum", they are doing a lot more than stretching. It's far more involved with that. And Ford has been studying this for years... the aluminum Sables with partner Alcoa, for example, were an early public peak at this thinking. But even that was impossible financially... and from an architecture standpoint that project made it clear that more is required structurally than simply switching materials, and the new materials also enable new capabilities.

The S550 is nothing more than a slightly evolved S197, with some money spent on the suspension. Rear suspension first, then as was reported they understood the front needed better geometry and additional money was budgeted on that for a relatively simple update. Designers opened their CAD and went thru the basic body. Even the early S550 design drawings has the same rear side windows, and today there is still the huge same structure beneath it as it had before. Look underneath and you'll find freshening like an "X" versus "+" in a strengthening element in the stamping. And if you looked closely at the S197 mules with the S550 new suspension... you can start thinking about how easy it would be to update your S197. I am surprised that nobody has done it yet. Don't get me wrong with what I'm saying, Ford did heroic work here and the product was a huge step up, but it is what it is.

This argument has been had before when some people claimed that the S550 engine compartment was different from the S197 - where the former GT500 motor allegedly "wouldn't physically fit". Not true, make some measurements and you'll see how little was changed. The old GT500 motor is too tall, but then it was too tall for the S197 and that was addressed. The sole problem is the electronics location and much smaller room for the airbox.

Lastly, the Alpha is designed for different lengths and widths... hence the differences between Camaro, ATS, and CTS (there is an evolution to the Alpha platform coming soon in the CTS replacement). Modern chassis are designed like that, which is why the new Focus chassis will be used across such a broad range of products and why the 2022 Mustang can be built on a platform shared with the Explorer (and I think that makes it obvious that the 2022 Mustang will be leaving Flat Rock, although we haven't seen that yet of course).

It's speculation on just what is going on underneath the CD6... we already know that the rear suspension is very much like the Mustangs, same general design (also used in the Fusion, Edge, Continental, MKZ, Nautilus, and the Chinese Taurus - all in re-scaled from), and we know from the Aviator launch (look at the transparent image) that a short/long arm front suspension is used (like Nissan/Infiniti FM platform - another shared platform that enabled multiple products). Certainly all the suspension bits and crossmembers are aluminum. But how much aluminum is used in the body - it is too early to tell from public information. We might be surprised and find an aluminum body shell (somebody needs to go after the Aviator show car with a magnet!). More likely we will just find some aluminum infrastructure up front in the firewall, shock mounts and inner apron and structure. Even that raises the cost considerably and remember that the base model Mustang and Explorers have to drive the ultimate choices (there is, unfortunately for most, no low end Aviator!). The base Mustang is $26,120 now, and the base Explorer at 32,365. Remember that the sheer volume of the F-150 can support a 28,155 price, volume that the Mustang/Explorer/Interceptor/Aviator won't have, despite high Aviator margins. So I can't see an all "Aluminum Mustang" as a possibility.

One of my issues are, where are the big V8s ?

 

[SVTSNAKE355]

Man you are all over the place.

if you think the GT500 will be faster on a road course than a ZL1 1LE you are insane.

It wont and itll cost more too.

Only thing I think the GT500 will bring to the pony car segment is more use of carbon, the 3d printed brake bits and hopefully a 7 speed DCT trans.

Suspension and chassis the 6th gen Camaro has it beat.

How do you figure the GT500 won't beat the zl1,1le on a track?

 

[Notagain]

How do you figure the GT500 won't beat the zl1,1le on a track?

No im not talking ZL1 or 1LE do you mean ZL1 and 1LE SS?

Im talking this thing. ZL1 1LE

If the GT500 is faster than that car Id be shocked.

 

[Notagain]

Do you think a new GT500 will be as fast as a Ford GT LOL highly doubt it. Heres a ZL1 Sticking right to the ass of a Ford GT and thats a normal ZL1 not the ZL1 1LE..........

https://drivetribe.com/p/this-camar...aRARQRy7yW0vmdWj-A?iid=eNA6JLKIRii33bR3_pVFPg

Some people are grossly under estimating how fast the ZL1s are and they cost peanuts compared to a Ford GT LOL!!

 

[jjw]

Do you think that GT is being driven more than maybe 6/7-10ths? I doubt it.
I have 2 friends who are experienced drivers (one is the owner with many years of racing, other has a lap record) who put 80 hot laps in a GT at Road America. It was beyond anything they have driven, and they have driven a lot of race cars.

 

[Notagain]

Point im making still stands the I highly doubt the GT500 will be faster than a ZL1 1LE......

 

[obspsd]

Don't worry, the GT500R will be faster then a ZL1 1LE around a track.

It will also be faster then a 2019 Hellcat Redeye at the dragstrip.

 

[Notagain]

LOLOLOLOL.....

I dont see the GT500 setting any benchmarks.

Not at the strip
Not at the road course
Not on the scale
Not in HP #s

This cars far too late for any of those vs. what GM and Dodge currently offer.

Basically its day late dollar short in pretty much every catagory.

 

[SVTSNAKE355]

No im not talking ZL1 or 1LE do you mean ZL1 and 1LE SS?

Im talking this thing. ZL1 1LE

If the GT500 is faster than that car Id be shocked.

Thats what i am talking about.The new GT500 I think will beat the zl1,1le ON THE TRACK.

 

[SVTSNAKE355]

Do you think a new GT500 will be as fast as a Ford GT LOL highly doubt it. Heres a ZL1 Sticking right to the ass of a Ford GT and thats a normal ZL1 not the ZL1 1LE..........

https://drivetribe.com/p/this-camar...aRARQRy7yW0vmdWj-A?iid=eNA6JLKIRii33bR3_pVFPg

Some people are grossly under estimating how fast the ZL1s are and they cost peanuts compared to a Ford GT LOL!!

With pro drivers on both sides,the zl1,is no where near the FORD GT in anything.I am not convinced that the new zr1 is faster than the FORD GT.

 

[Notagain]

With pro drivers on both sides,the zl1,is no where near the FORD GT in anything.I am not convinced that the new zr1 is faster than the FORD GT.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...aro-zl1-1le-blitzed-the-nurburgring-in-71604/

The ZL1 1LE runs Nurburgring in 7:16:04 thats 13 seconds faster than a regular ZL1.

And if you think a GT500 is going to run laps in the 7:teens your are crazy.

Unless the GT500 is coming with DSSV multimatic suspension and a fleet of engineers along with it I highly doubt itll be faster.

Its going to be heavier than a ZL1 1LE and cost more too Id expect.

Id love to be wrong but I have zero faith in Ford doing so.

 

[9secondko]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...aro-zl1-1le-blitzed-the-nurburgring-in-71604/

The ZL1 1LE runs Nurburgring in 7:16:04 thats 13 seconds faster than a regular ZL1.

And if you think a GT500 is going to run laps in the 7:teens your are crazy.

Unless the GT500 is coming with DSSV multimatic suspension and a fleet of engineers along with it I highly doubt itll be faster.

Its going to be heavier than a ZL1 1LE and cost more too Id expect.

Id love to be wrong but I have zero faith in Ford doing so.

It’s been known for a while now that the ‘ring times are not what they were. Manufacturers mess with stuff to get times they want. It’s not a legit advertisement. That Chevy tries to still throw it out there only speaks to the character of the company.

One of the many articles on the issue:

https://jalopnik.com/dont-take-manufacturer-nurburgring-lap-times-seriously-1792950739/amp

That said, prepare to be shocked

The zl1 is a fantastic car.

The 500 is just better.

The 1le variant of the zl1 is amazing.

The KR wil be amazing...er.

Now if we could just buy the thing already.

 

[SVTSNAKE355]

It’s been known for a while now that the ‘ring times are not what they were. Manufacturers mess with stuff to get times they want. It’s not a legit advertisement. That Chevy tries to still throw it out there only speaks to the character of the company.

One of the many articles on the issue:

https://jalopnik.com/dont-take-manufacturer-nurburgring-lap-times-seriously-1792950739/amp

That said, prepare to be shocked

The zl1 is a fantastic car.

The 500 is just better.

The 1le variant of the zl1 is amazing.

The KR wil be amazing...er.

Now if we could just buy the thing already.

That is so true, not only that, gm is known to send RINGER cars out.

 

[Notagain]

And yet Ford cant even cant even produce a Ring time for their halo super car the Ford GT...........

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