PD Superchargers! Which one to get?

[Tom@Lethal]

Hello all! Hope you are all staying safe!

I've recently been looking into boosting my car. A 17 GT. Honestly, turbos and centrifugal superchargers didn't really catch my eye as I'm more of a low RPM driver. So, I've been looking into PD SCs.

I'm undecided between VMP Gen2R, VMP Gen3R, Edelbrock 2650, Whipple Gen4 or Gen5. I'm looking to make ~650 wheel horsepower with 93 and some room to grow later on when I have money to invest in a full fuel system.
I am planing on upgrading the oil pump gears, because it'll be a lot easier to do it when everything is taken apart, rather than doing it down the line and I don't want to risk the stock ones breaking on me.

I will be taking it to be installed in a shop. I will be getting a dyno tune.

Anyone have any experiences with these? What other mods should I consider doing?

Based of what i have read in your posts i think the Whipple will suit you and your goals better. I personally run a gen3 on my 2017 and made 725 on 91/Boostane and 820 on 110. With that said, the new Gen5 is a complete redesign of the head units while the gen4 is a change of hr rotor pack like Whipple did from the gen 2>3. If you buy a complete kit it has everything you need and even comes with a Whipple tune that is extremely customizable and user friendly. However, Lund or Palm Beach Dyno are great places to go if the Whipple route isn’t what you’re looking for. If you’re going with a Whipple setup opt for the stage 2 right out of the gate as it comes with the bigger Throttle body, injectors, etc. We can assist you here @LethalPerformance and go over some setups with you and see what we can do. Give us a shout on here or you can call 1.877.253.8425.

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[zero_chance]

LoLz a Whipples “stage 2” throttle body. Kenne Bell. 168mm. Standard.

 

[Angrey]

VMP Gen 3R or Whipple Gen 5

This, if you want the best, get the Whipple. If you want the best value (bang/buck) get a VMP gen IIIR.

Whatever you do, do NOT get the Roush.

 

[Abletoxx]

This, if you want the best, get the Whipple. If you want the best value (bang/buck) get a VMP gen IIIR.

Whatever you do, do NOT get the Roush.

Thanks for the reply! Those are the two I'm between. Mostly leaning towards the Whipple because VMP requires block modification. I also don't want a Roush, they're overpriced for very little power. I'm curious to know why you said not to get one.

 

[Angrey]

Thanks for the reply! Those are the two I'm between. Mostly leaning towards the Whipple because VMP requires block modification. I also don't want a Roush, they're overpriced for very little power. I'm curious to know why you said not to get one.

IAT's. The Roush is a dyno queen and in hot conditions (like we see in FL) and extended sitting at a stoplight or waiting to stage at the drag strip, the IAT's can climb quickly and there's videos of a guy who can't even trap 115 mph in his genIII coyote car (10R80) at moderate DA and 90F. He was starting at like 135F IAT2 temp and by the middle of the pass it was yanking timing out. The car would literally lurch.

Roush blowers just create excessive heat (like all roots do) but they're intercoolers are just woefully under capable for anything other than optimal conditions.

The newer flipped style blowers (the TVS series 2650 and the Whipple Gen5) are preferred because by flipping the architecture over, it provides a couple of advantages. The biggest being increased intercooler size, which REALLY helps on back/back WOT pulls, especially in hot climates. Second, the front feed is just a better flowing design. Of course they're the latest offerings so they have improvements like rotor design (and slightly bigger volume for the 2650 vs the 2.3 liter previous generation) but the biggest advantage of the newer style is intercooling.

If you agree and what the new flip style, I'd price them out and determine if you want the whipple or if saving a small amount is worth going roots (aka TVS).

Roots blowers have come a long way and they've closed the gap with twin screw, but TS is still the better system. The whole idea of using a roots blower previously was cost. Manufacturers use them because the tolerances were less demanding and they're cheaper/easier to build. But lately, all the usual suspects for the roots style have decided that the marketplace has either forgotten or ignored this concept as they've continually crept their pricing up to the twin screw pricing. Now, the price of a VMP Odin kit is as much more more than the whipple (which makes no sense, because a Whipple Gen 5 is hands down a better system).

Bottom line, it's tough to beat the value of a VMP gen IIIR for the price. But if you want bigger/better intercooling, go with the new architecture and pay that little bit extra to go with a whipple.

 

[Dominant1]

Whipple gen 5 + killer chiller cooling...see Terry at www.beefcakeracing.com

 

[beetle6986]

IAT's. The Roush is a dyno queen and in hot conditions (like we see in FL) and extended sitting at a stoplight or waiting to stage at the drag strip, the IAT's can climb quickly and there's videos of a guy who can't even trap 115 mph in his genIII coyote car (10R80) at moderate DA and 90F. He was starting at like 135F IAT2 temp and by the middle of the pass it was yanking timing out. The car would literally lurch.

Roush blowers just create excessive heat (like all roots do) but they're intercoolers are just woefully under capable for anything other than optimal conditions.

He is driving a 2017 GenII car which would get the Roush2300. I don't think the Roush IATs are much different that any other roots blower on the GenII kits. The Roush issues are on the GenIII cars (Roush2650) only. I believe it is related to the lack of space for the intercooler fluids to flow between the blower and the intake due to the dual fuel or something like that. Regardless, I would vote VMP.

 

[Dominant1]

Vmp odin kit with the new magnuson sc is bad ass as well.. for 18-20 stangs only..

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