Oil change warning?!

[maddog1982]

Do about 7.5k a year. I'm changing the oil and filter early after 5k as I plan to do it again in Oct to get it back inline with the build date and MOT

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[TimG]

My oil change warning never gets anywhere near 12 months or 10K. Recent warning was 6 months &2.5K. I dont drive it hard nor do I take it out on short trips' it get warm each time, in traffic idling is minimal. From new when warming came on after a few months dealer told me to just reset it. I dont think the monitor s very smart & wonder why they fit it.

 

[Bullitt66]

Seems the 2 camps are:
A) Just reset it. 3k miles is nothing with modern oil
B) Oil is just a consumable.When you’ve just spanked 40k on a state of the art machine, the cost of an oil change is trivial. just change the oil. see some US opinions here:
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/real-world-oil-change-interval.127979/#post-2649022

Being a tight northerner, I went with option a

 

[TimG]

I find it hard to believe that a modern unstressed engine on a high spec oil needs an oil change under 12 months or 10k miles. Option A it is.

 

[Entai]

I find it hard to believe that a modern unstressed engine on a high spec oil needs an oil change under 12 months or 10k miles. Option A it is.

All depends on how you wish to care for your car, and always remember this is an American built car, not to usual European build quality standards.

I and a couple of others on here (IIRC) have done early oil changes and found plenty of metal filings in the oil. One person got a new engine under warranty because of the amount of metal found in the oil. Had that been left 10,000 miles it would have been a new engine for an entirely different reason I suspect, it could possibly have seized up when driving maybe, and that could have caused all sorts of other untold issues.

I personally have done 4 oil and filter changes within the first 3200 miles (4 months ownership). Maybe overkill, however all except the last change showed filings in the oil, so to me it was worth it, I'm keeping this car untill it or I rust away into nothingness, so I am looking after it as much as practicable.

Personally I could never have left it until 10,000 miles or 12 months.

 

[Andy13186]

5k miles at most , check oil level every 1k miles. Use full synthetic.

 

[vernonator]

So why not just go get the oil changed and when you pick it up verify that the meter has been reset? Better safe than sorry right? Once you are certain that the meter has been reset you can monitor the life and milage and see what it shows. I use one of my Trip Mileage meters for oil changes - I reset the mileage on Trip 3 when I get back in the car, that shows miles AND running time so I can compare/contrast to the Life Meter.

 

[Bullitt66]

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I and a couple of others on here (IIRC) have done early oil changes and found plenty of metal filings in the oil

The 1st oil change is the key, when any significant swarf from machining will be removed. With modern CNC machining and Fords global standards I’m surprised there’s much visible. You wouldn’t find that in a Lexus!

Ford, like all of today’s car manufacturers, design, develop and test all their cars to achieve Star ship mileage with zero defects. The cost and bad publicity of a major warranty campaign is simply too big an issue to ignore.
Most car buyers barely open the bonnet between services, that applies if it’s daewoo or a Bentley. That’s precisely why Ford perform endurance testing to shake out any weaknesses.

Sure there is always the odd batch of badly manufactured components- and that could include cylinder blocks , and a few known concerns, but in general, I think the Stang quality is OK. It’s the variability (read crap) in the dealers thats the issue for me.

 

[Entai]

The 1st oil change is the key, when any significant swarf from machining will be removed. With modern CNC machining and Fords global standards I’m surprised there’s much visible. You wouldn’t find that in a Lexus!

Ford, like all of today’s car manufacturers, design, develop and test all their cars to achieve Star ship mileage with zero defects. The cost and bad publicity of a major warranty campaign is simply too big an issue to ignore.
Most car buyers barely open the bonnet between services, that applies if it’s daewoo or a Bentley. That’s precisely why Ford perform endurance testing to shake out any weaknesses.

Sure there is always the odd batch of badly manufactured components- and that could include cylinder blocks , and a few known concerns, but in general, I think the Stang quality is OK. It’s the variability (read crap) in the dealers that's the issue for me.

To be fair, lets be honest here, all car makers (except less than a hand full of the very very top end bespoke manufacturers) design and build to a price point.

Everything is costed to the penny and where they can save a penny or many they will.

I work in a the automotive test and development industry and work for a vast variety of manufacturers from the lowest to the very top end, (all of the ones you mentioned we have tested for) and every single one will cut back wherever they can get away with it.

There are loads of tests we do that are called "life Cycle durability tests" these are by definition to test the component for its full expected life cycle, the component goes through all sorts of various vibration testing and environmental testing.

You may think that means testing for the equivalent of many hundreds of thousand of miles or many years equivalent road use.

However all the "life cycle " test procedures from mainstream manufacturers that we do, are to max equivalent of 60,000 miles or 5 years.

Parts are designed and built to pass that test no more no less.

If it breaks after that long its well out of warranty and is fair wear and tear in their eyes.

There are only two manufacturers we work for that do longer testing, into the realms of 100,000 miles+ and 10 years life expectancy, but those tests are only reserved for their super/hyper car models, not their mainstream models.

 

[marks]

There are only two manufacturers we work for that do longer testing, into the realms of 100,000 miles+ and 10 years life expectancy, but those tests are only reserved for their super/hyper car models, not their mainstream models.

Can I ask who they are out of interest?

I'm guessing it's not McClaren, BMW, Mercedes, Ford or Audi.

Probably two of the following - Lexus (when had LFA etc), Ferrari, Porsche?

 

[Bullitt66]

Parts are designed and built to pass that test no more no less.

Yup totally agree

That’s why I’m not messing around with 1500 mile oil changes.

The engine and oil spec will be way harsher than that

But please do tell us who tests for 10 year endurance...

 

[Entai]

The only two manufacturers we have tested for to the longer life cycle procedures, are Pagani, and Buggati.

Obviously there will be others, we don't test for every manufacturer.

But we have done almost all mainstream manufacturers, and many Supercar ones.

We have tested for all the mentioned ones at some point or other, Mclaren even have a workshop on site with us.
All test to the lower levels, with one exception.
We did a lot of pre production testing on Vulcan and Valkyrie, both were to longer schedules, standard cars to shorter one.

 

[AstroKeith]

I've been relatively happy with Think Ford Farnborough - until today. I needed a straight oil & filter change. When I phoned last week they started at £255 ! , but came down to £157 when I challenged such a price. Got there this morning and they said it was a mistake and would have to be £185.

It was a while you wait job. They did the work in about an hour, but after sitting watching my car parked up for 35 minutes I asked to see if they could hurry the paperwork. This took 10 more minutes to find. Organised chaos I would describe their operations.

I suggested they should honour the original quote, which they did. But then no printers were working, so I'm without an invoice records etc.

 

[maddog1982]

I've been relatively happy with Think Ford Farnborough - until today. I needed a straight oil & filter change. When I phoned last week they started at £255 ! , but came down to £157 when I challenged such a price. Got there this morning and they said it was a mistake and would have to be £185.

It was a while you wait job. They did the work in about an hour, but after sitting watching my car parked up for 35 minutes I asked to see if they could hurry the paperwork. This took 10 more minutes to find. Organised chaos I would describe their operations.

I suggested they should honour the original quote, which they did. But then no printers were working, so I'm without an invoice records etc.

Ouch! £255 is a joke. I just bought 10litres of the Ford oil, oil filter and a sump plug for 80 quid. Im through using Ford, I know a great Focus RS specialist an hour from me who is part of the Blue oval scheme - Hes getting all my business from now on. Inface I am off there Saturday to have a service, new disks, pads and probaly new brake fluid.

 

[vernonator]

I've been relatively happy with Think Ford Farnborough - until today. I needed a straight oil & filter change. When I phoned last week they started at £255 ! , but came down to £157 when I challenged such a price. Got there this morning and they said it was a mistake and would have to be £185.

It was a while you wait job. They did the work in about an hour, but after sitting watching my car parked up for 35 minutes I asked to see if they could hurry the paperwork. This took 10 more minutes to find. Organised chaos I would describe their operations.

I suggested they should honour the original quote, which they did. But then no printers were working, so I'm without an invoice records etc.

Good LORD why are changes so expensive in the UK? I can get a change done - at the dealership (drive up oil change vendors can be MUCH cheaper) using full synthetic for around $50 US, that includes all the normal checks/inspections.

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