Official Performance Pack Level 2

[hlh1]

This is going to make me trade in my 17...

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[Trackaholic]

It will be slightly slower as to not mess up the marketing ($$ price point) ecosystem. They don't want to lose their cash cow GT350.

Ecoboost < Ecoboost PP < GT < GT PP1 < GT PP2 < GT350



Actually, most manufacturers do that. They use a special model as the testing platform for the next model. They often either reuse parts or knowledge learned from those performance models on the next version. Just like SOME of the Boss 302 engine internals were used on the 2015 GT. So the 2013 Boss 302 was the performance target for the 2015 GT. 2012 Cayman R (special "track" edition) was the performance target for the 2013 Cayman S.




PP2 with Auto would surpass the GT350. Marketing had to make it manual only, so it wouldn't kill the GT350 in straight line performance and road course performance. Its ok if the regular GT could do better in 0-60 b/c the GT350 was faster on the track. With the wider tires, and all the GT350 suspension, plus 460hp way and more torque, the GT PP2 would be faster all around. And it just won't happen until they discontinue or improve the GT350.




I'm sure it has to do with proper offsets needed for the front to clear struts, have the right poke, etc.

I don't think Ford feels like they need to handicap the PP2 in order to preserve the pecking order. If they really felt that way, they wouldn't be putting PSC2 tires on the car.

As it is, I fully expect the PP2 to be similar or faster than the GT350 on tighter tracks where the GT350 isn't able to utilize its top end power.

The GT350 does have components that should allow it to stay on track more reliably, or for longer sessions (coolers, brakes, transmission for example).

Remember, Ford is competing not only within the Mustang versions, but also with the Camaro, BMW M2/M3, etc, and therefore cannot afford to hold back too much.

And any GT350 owner who can't handle that could always go get some of their own PSC2 tires (or hoosiers, or whatever) and pull ahead.

-T

 

[Cgocifer]

Meh, after finally seeing the PP2 and what is included, I decided to go with the 2018 1LE + Performance Data Recorder. Out the door for $41,500. ;-) Not my daily driver, but you could drive the 1LE daily. The tour mode is comfy and the race mode is a kidney buster. lol

However, my wife gets a new car this year too and she still wants a Mustang. So, may end up with both. lol

 

[Trackaholic]

Meh, after finally seeing the PP2 and what is included, I decided to go with the 2018 1LE + Performance Data Recorder. Out the door for $41,500. ;-) Not my daily driver, but you could drive the 1LE daily. The tour mode is comfy and the race mode is a kidney buster. lol

However, my wife gets a new car this year too and she still wants a Mustang. So, may end up with both. lol

Beautiful car!

The Data Recorder is one area where GM has really done some cool stuff. Would love Ford to do something similar.

Can't really go wrong with the 1LE from a performance standpoint. The looks are quite good as well. Hard to do much better. Hopefully the PP2 will be pretty close in performance.

These modern pony cars are really quite amazing!

For me the only thing they cheaped out on is the rear brakes. WTF Ford?

I don't know if the rears are really that critical, as long as they aren't compromising the feel of the braking system. I did a Stoptech front BBK on my 350Z, and rears are single piston sliding calipers. They still hold up fine on the track as long as I have decent pads. The rears on my GT350 look like they will last a very long time (fronts need new pads after 25,000 miles and 4 track days). It would be nice to have calipers that make pad changes easy, though. That would definitely be a bonus.

-T

 

[bootlegger]

Have you contacted your dealer yet to see if you can change it if you want?

Contacted. Sales guy will talk to the ordering manager. I am almost considering getting a red one now. I love the orange, but that red looks perfect. Also, it will lessen the difference with PP2 cost.

 

[Eritas]

Nice car Cgocifer. It's a great time to be a car enthusiast. I like all of the Camaro's coolers. Too bad you have to go up to a GT350 to get them on a mustang.

 

[Freedom]

ISNT gt350 straight line 0-60 3.7/3.9s? This doesn’t lose out to the 2018 auto

 

[BmacIL]

ISNT gt350 straight line 0-60 3.7/3.9s? This doesn’t lose out to the 2018 auto

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[Cardude99]

No its 3.9 for an r and I believe 4.1 for a non r iirc

 

[ApollosWar89]

It will be slightly slower as to not mess up the marketing ($$ price point) ecosystem. They don't want to lose their cash cow GT350.

Do you even understand the term cashcow? The cashcow of the Mustang line up would be the Ecoboost. As a whole with all things considered the Mustang line item is little more than a blip on the financials in comparison to the Ford pickup sales.

 

[TomcatDriver]

Do you even understand the term cashcow? The cashcow of the Mustang line up would be the Ecoboost. As a whole with all things considered the Mustang line item is little more than a blip on the financials in comparison to the Ford pickup sales.

Unlikely. Ford may sell more EB, but the margin on the Ecoboost is no doubt lower than it is on a loaded GT. In general the higher up the trim level you go the bigger the margins. This is pretty much true for all cars. You get charged $2500 for some trim package that cost the manufacture $500 or less. The Performance Pack is a perfect example. It is unlikely that the 2018 PP costs any more than it cost in 2017 (or 2016) and probably doesn't actually cost Ford more than a few hundred bucks, yet it costs us $4000.

An Ecoboost (M-6007-23T) crate engine is $7795, a Coyote (M-6007-M50A) is $7975 from Ford Performance, yet there is about a $7K base price difference. Oh by the way, those prices surprised me, I thought they would be farther apart.

 

[UAmach1]

Unlikely. Ford may sell more EB, but the margin on the Ecoboost is no doubt lower than it is on a loaded GT. In general the higher up the trim level you go the bigger the margins. This is pretty much true for all cars. You get charged $2500 for some trim package that cost the manufacture $500 or less. The Performance Pack is a perfect example. It is unlikely that the 2018 PP costs any more than it cost in 2017 (or 2016) and probably doesn't actually cost Ford more than a few hundred bucks, yet it costs us $4000.

An Ecoboost (M-6007-23T) crate engine is $7795, a Coyote (M-6007-M50A) is $7975 from Ford Performance, yet there is about a $7K base price difference. Oh by the way, those prices surprised me, I thought they would be farther apart.

Don't forget anything else changed in that 7K(10k actually). The engine may be $200 of it, but also transmission, suspension, rear, interior options, exhaust, ect.

Not saying its 10K worth difference, just that difference is made up by more than just the engine.

 

[racingandfishing]

Fords actual cost is not necessarily an indicator of what they charge for a crate motor. They price the coyote where it needs to be to compete with other crate motors for modded cars. Not too many people build a hot rod around a 4 cylinder. I don't believe they would be so consumed with selling ecoboosts across all of their product line if the profit margins weren't better.

 

[TomcatDriver]

Don't forget anything else changed in that 7K(10k actually). The engine may be $200 of it, but also transmission, suspension, rear, interior options, exhaust, ect.

Not saying its 10K worth difference, just that difference is made up by more than just the engine.

I'm not attempting to itemize. Just making the point that higher trims=higher margins. It costs X amount to make a car (Mustang, whatever). I guarantee a loaded 2018 GT at over $50K does not actually cost 2X a base Ecoboost.

Base models tend toward the loss leader category.

 

[stanglife]

I'm not attempting to itemize. Just making the point that higher trims=higher margins. It costs X amount to make a car (Mustang, whatever). I guarantee a loaded 2018 GT at over $50K does not actually cost 2X a base Ecoboost.

Base models tend toward the loss leader category.

That all sounds reasonable but consider the possibility that the volume of lower models sold likely lowers the component price from suppliers on many of the parts shared with higher end models. I know that seems to make your case but what I'm saying is that there is likely more value in the volume of ecoboost sales than the actual profit from that line.

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