Manuals Are Losers

Dfeeds

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 30, 2018
Messages
1,126
Reaction score
824
Location
Illinois, US
First Name
Dan
Vehicle(s)
1997 Mustang (5.0 HO swap), 2019 Mustang GT PP1
It's honestly anyone's preference one way or the other. It always has been and that's totally cool. What loses me is the whole "the auto is more advanced so it's faster" argument. It definitely shifts faster than an auto from 10 years ago but it's faster because it has ten gears. Combine that the auto has, what, 7 (6?) underdrive gears to the manual that went from 4 to 3 underdrive gears and no sh*t it's faster in a straight line. I know a lot of people understand this but some definitely don't. It's not some wizardry at work.

This brings me to my other reason for owning a stick in that getting the skill down is fun. The live action speed racer was always an odd sort of inspiration because they show them shifting and the clutch work is insanely fast. I love nailing a shift at that same rate of speed. It's so much fun hitting a shift perfectly and being able to press and depress the clutch as fast as my left foot is capable and not botching it. Of course it's never consistent but I'll be dammed if it's not rewarding. I've had people comment on how incredibly fast I shift and I love it because that's what I work so hard for. I have no problem conceding that the auto is faster in a straight, but I'd give up a large chunk of my enjoyment of getting behind the wheel if I got one.
Advertisement

 

Dave2013M3

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 22, 2014
Messages
2,139
Reaction score
1,421
Location
El Segundo,Ca
Vehicle(s)
2020 Ford Mustang GT Base PP1 6MT Rapid Red
I have no interest in EVs in large part because they'd remove me even further from the overall experience. I have zero interest in dragging politics into forum discussions in general, let alone those with any technical content. So if that creeps into this thread it won't be on my account.

As I've said before, even today's levels of EV performance aren't worth enough to me to make me actually want one. Not when I view driving as an activity more to be enjoyed and satisfied with my total part in. I got over letting things like momentary excitement and bragging rights impress me decades ago, if I ever felt that way at all.

Off the top of my head, an EV is going to drive much like an ICE-powered car backed by a CVT (minus the CVT's "motorboating" sound track). What I have very reliably heard about CVTs is that the driver has to adapt himself to that transmission's additional (and alien to a MT die-hard) nuances. Adapting to a transmission's nuances, or to an EV's complete lack of shifting being a set of vehicle-level nuances really amounts to the technology training you to become more like it than to yourself (yeah, I know about Porsche's 2-speed EV).


Norm
This!!!
 

hellohello123

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 4, 2021
Messages
156
Reaction score
136
Location
Australia
First Name
Johnny
Vehicle(s)
2020 Mustang GT 6spd Black
When you're on the "I like automatics" or only that you're OK with them, it's too easy to completely miss the point that overwhelming acceptance of ATs among enthusiasts (and their endless refrain of "ATs are faster") represents yet another nail in the MT's coffin.

So it's not so much about tying self worth to transmission type. On the MT side it's also about whether you're going to have your preference at all. And losing that can be a bitter pill that doesn't go down at all easily. Trust me on this.


Norm
I'm not directing this at you but the whole at vs Mt debate.

I don't know why it has to be so complicated/personal or political.

From what I can see the auto is faster than the best manual driver on earth

I love manual because i feel connected to the car. Auto bores me to bits.

So I'm sacrificing the speed differnece for my enjoyment. Personal choice

I get the whole turbo vs v8 debate but the auto vs manual debate to me is petty and egotisitcal

Sure, manual drivers may have a better understanding of the car and thus "could" be better drivers but I don't really care
 

Rapid Red

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 4, 2019
Messages
3,013
Reaction score
2,161
Location
Woodstock GA
First Name
Greg
Vehicle(s)
RaceRed>GT PP2 >RXCAIL2
Vehicle Showcase
2
I have no interest in EVs in large part because they'd remove me even further from the overall experience.

Norm

This ....^..... sums it up, and for me the same goes for any car. Not built by one of the traditional big 3, or any car AT shifted.
 

Bobn57

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 30, 2020
Messages
642
Reaction score
1,015
Location
New Jersey
First Name
Bob
Vehicle(s)
1968 Mustang Fastback, 2021 VB, GT/CS
Vehicle Showcase
2
I've been driving sticks since 1978....first learned on an MGB midget in the hills of Pa.
from 78 through 1990, all my cars and trucks were sticks.....We converted my 71 Cougar from an FMX auto to a stick. Sticks are fun.....except when sitting in bumper to bumper traffic. My 06GT was an auto. I loved that car and bought it as an auto thinking my wife could drive it as well. She never did so for 14 years I wanted to turn it into a manual but didn't get the chance. When I ordered the GT/CS I got my manual back. Yesterday I sat in bumper to bumper traffic for 45 minutes due to a vehicle fire on parkway. Glad I wasn't driving the stang..... brings back memories of driving home from the shore when I was younger and my left leg was a lot stronger :)
Everyone has their preference.
 

jwt

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 26, 2020
Messages
311
Reaction score
294
Location
Alberta
First Name
John
Vehicle(s)
2019 Ford Mustang Bullitt
....

This brings me to my other reason for owning a stick in that getting the skill down is fun. The live action speed racer was always an odd sort of inspiration because they show them shifting and the clutch work is insanely fast. I love nailing a shift at that same rate of speed. It's so much fun hitting a shift perfectly and being able to press and depress the clutch as fast as my left foot is capable and not botching it. Of course it's never consistent but I'll be dammed if it's not rewarding. I've had people comment on how incredibly fast I shift and I love it because that's what I work so hard for. I have no problem conceding that the auto is faster in a straight, but I'd give up a large chunk of my enjoyment of getting behind the wheel if I got one.
Coming from a country where rally is king of motorsports this is what impresses me. Mashing the right pedal from a standing start to the end of a 1/4 mile doesn't do it for me. I appreciate the technical engineering and sheer gonads it requires but watching a rally car driver perform ballet stands the hairs up on my neck. Your mileage may vary :)

 

shogun32

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2019
Messages
9,511
Reaction score
6,187
Location
Northern VA
First Name
Matt
Vehicle(s)
2019 GT+PP, SS+1LE, 2020 F150
Vehicle Showcase
2
Mashing the right pedal from a standing start to the end of a 1/4 mile doesn't do it for me.
because it requires no skill whatsoever.

I'm going to have to try learning how to left foot brake. Knowing me I'll get the brake and clutch confused and mash the brake when I meant to do the clutch. :)
 

jwt

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 26, 2020
Messages
311
Reaction score
294
Location
Alberta
First Name
John
Vehicle(s)
2019 Ford Mustang Bullitt
I've done that and only the seatbelt stopped me head butting the windscreen. Muscle memory is a bitch and your left leg thinks its going to depress the clutch not tease the brake :)
 

Sivi70980

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 28, 2019
Messages
3,277
Reaction score
5,013
Location
Lacey, Washington
First Name
Mark
Vehicle(s)
2019 Ruby Red GT PP1 M6
because it requires no skill whatsoever.

I'm going to have to try learning how to left foot brake. Knowing me I'll get the brake and clutch confused and mash the brake when I meant to do the clutch. :)
I left foot brake (drive 2 footed) on a forklift daily. When in a car and hit the brake with left foot for any reason, I always end up nearly giving myself a steering wheel snack. No clue why I can't get past it lol.
 

IronG

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 6, 2018
Messages
1,261
Reaction score
595
Location
NJ
Vehicle(s)
2019 Mustang GT PP2
Coming from a country where rally is king of motorsports this is what impresses me. Mashing the right pedal from a standing start to the end of a 1/4 mile doesn't do it for me. I appreciate the technical engineering and sheer gonads it requires but watching a rally car driver perform ballet stands the hairs up on my neck. Your mileage may vary :)

That looks like fun as much as terrifying at the same time. Also, how else can you for a few hours be on the brink of living or dying, drive a cool car, see some great scenery, get a workout, potentially win a race, and get a pretty woman to kiss you (or more)?
 

Dfeeds

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 30, 2018
Messages
1,126
Reaction score
824
Location
Illinois, US
First Name
Dan
Vehicle(s)
1997 Mustang (5.0 HO swap), 2019 Mustang GT PP1
I left foot brake (drive 2 footed) on a forklift daily. When in a car and hit the brake with left foot for any reason, I always end up nearly giving myself a steering wheel snack. No clue why I can't get past it lol.
I don't use a forklift as often as I used to but I also drive it two footed. It actually feels unnatural with one foot on a forklift, but that's never translated over to driving my car. Although it could be because the forklift I use has a wide gap between the pedals so the foot placement is about the same as having your foot on the gas and clutch of the mustang.
 

Dfeeds

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 30, 2018
Messages
1,126
Reaction score
824
Location
Illinois, US
First Name
Dan
Vehicle(s)
1997 Mustang (5.0 HO swap), 2019 Mustang GT PP1
Coming from a country where rally is king of motorsports this is what impresses me. Mashing the right pedal from a standing start to the end of a 1/4 mile doesn't do it for me. I appreciate the technical engineering and sheer gonads it requires but watching a rally car driver perform ballet stands the hairs up on my neck. Your mileage may vary :)

Oh absolutely. Rally racing is up there on the pipe dream list, for me, along with flying a fighter jet. It's amazing what they do behind the wheel. The car is an extension of their body.
 

Sivi70980

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 28, 2019
Messages
3,277
Reaction score
5,013
Location
Lacey, Washington
First Name
Mark
Vehicle(s)
2019 Ruby Red GT PP1 M6
I don't use a forklift as often as I used to but I also drive it two footed. It actually feels unnatural with one foot on a forklift, but that's never translated over to driving my car. Although it could be because the forklift I use has a wide gap between the pedals so the foot placement is about the same as having your foot on the gas and clutch of the mustang.
I think you nailed it, forklift pedals are quite a bit farther apart. Curious why left foot on car brakes still seems so much more sensitive though. Maybe just the different used leg/foot muscles.
 

TeeLew

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 27, 2020
Messages
1,465
Reaction score
834
Location
So Cal
First Name
Tim
Vehicle(s)
Honda Odyssey, Toyota Tacoma, 89 GT project, 2020 Magnetic EB HPP w/ 6M
Data suggests the left foot is the second most stupid appendage on a man's body.
 
Advertisement

 
160 - PK Auto Designs - 1
Advertisement
Top