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because it requires no skill whatsoever.

I'm going to have to try learning how to left foot brake. Knowing me I'll get the brake and clutch confused and mash the brake when I meant to do the clutch. :)
I left foot brake (drive 2 footed) on a forklift daily. When in a car and hit the brake with left foot for any reason, I always end up nearly giving myself a steering wheel snack. No clue why I can't get past it lol.
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Coming from a country where rally is king of motorsports this is what impresses me. Mashing the right pedal from a standing start to the end of a 1/4 mile doesn't do it for me. I appreciate the technical engineering and sheer gonads it requires but watching a rally car driver perform ballet stands the hairs up on my neck. Your mileage may vary :)

That looks like fun as much as terrifying at the same time. Also, how else can you for a few hours be on the brink of living or dying, drive a cool car, see some great scenery, get a workout, potentially win a race, and get a pretty woman to kiss you (or more)?
 

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I left foot brake (drive 2 footed) on a forklift daily. When in a car and hit the brake with left foot for any reason, I always end up nearly giving myself a steering wheel snack. No clue why I can't get past it lol.
I don't use a forklift as often as I used to but I also drive it two footed. It actually feels unnatural with one foot on a forklift, but that's never translated over to driving my car. Although it could be because the forklift I use has a wide gap between the pedals so the foot placement is about the same as having your foot on the gas and clutch of the mustang.
 

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Coming from a country where rally is king of motorsports this is what impresses me. Mashing the right pedal from a standing start to the end of a 1/4 mile doesn't do it for me. I appreciate the technical engineering and sheer gonads it requires but watching a rally car driver perform ballet stands the hairs up on my neck. Your mileage may vary :)

Oh absolutely. Rally racing is up there on the pipe dream list, for me, along with flying a fighter jet. It's amazing what they do behind the wheel. The car is an extension of their body.
 

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I don't use a forklift as often as I used to but I also drive it two footed. It actually feels unnatural with one foot on a forklift, but that's never translated over to driving my car. Although it could be because the forklift I use has a wide gap between the pedals so the foot placement is about the same as having your foot on the gas and clutch of the mustang.
I think you nailed it, forklift pedals are quite a bit farther apart. Curious why left foot on car brakes still seems so much more sensitive though. Maybe just the different used leg/foot muscles.
 

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Data suggests the left foot is the second most stupid appendage on a man's body.
 

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I think you nailed it, forklift pedals are quite a bit farther apart. Curious why left foot on car brakes still seems so much more sensitive though. Maybe just the different used leg/foot muscles.
Forklifts have drum brakes which has a bit to do with it and it's also just how it's set up. Two of the forklifts, at my job,
have a completely different feel than the rest, and also have an auto brake (I hate it, makes you look like an amateur). My other guess would be because it's basically essential to ride the brakes of a forklift, especially if you're in doors and in tight spaces.

It could also just be leverage. Pushing your left foot straight down is easier to apply force than if your foot is more at an angle. I tried driving a forklift with one foot, for kicks, and nearly crashed because of not applying enough brake force with my right foot. Then I panicked as 10k lbs of steel didn't stop when I expected it to. Scawy. It also felt really awkward having my right foot at the angle needed to quickly switch between the two pedals.
 

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Forklifts have drum brakes which has a bit to do with it and it's also just how it's set up. Two of the forklifts, at my job,
have a completely different feel than the rest, and also have an auto brake (I hate it, makes you look like an amateur). My other guess would be because it's basically essential to ride the brakes of a forklift, especially if you're in doors and in tight spaces.

It could also just be leverage. Pushing your left foot straight down is easier to apply force than if your foot is more at an angle. I tried driving a forklift with one foot, for kicks, and nearly crashed because of not applying enough brake force with my right foot. Then I panicked as 10k lbs of steel didn't stop when I expected it to. Scawy. It also felt really awkward having my right foot at the angle needed to quickly switch between the two pedals.
Pretty much same experiences lol. We got electric forklifts a few years ago switching from propane and it was a learning curve for sure. One of them has the auto parking brake and nobody likes it at all. I always like going back to a propane or diesel forklift, just easier to be smoother with. Hope the 10k of steel didn't hurt anyone or anything.
 

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Just watch it. The GT 10A vs MT82 is discussed. Learn a bit.

At some point self-driving cars will be faster than human driven automatics. This guy will loose his job.

I have no idea what kind of fully automatic laundry machine my friends have. I do not care.
 

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Autos are faster, particularly in a straight line than manuals. The guy in the video doesn't understand the power/traction/gearing/shift time relationship. They're not faster due to lower gearing. Once the total gearing is lower than ~12:1, traction is a much bigger issue.

The real killer of auto vs. manual is shifting time. The auto is very fast in its shifting and that makes all the difference. More gears, which keep the engine in its preferred rev range helps as well, but an auto with the same gearing as the manual would still be faster just due to the shifting.
 

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I'd also argue the auto will do it to the same level of speed (shift time) every time, never miss a shift, never hit the limiter whereas a human may on occasion meet or even exceed the auto, but every single time? In a high pressure situation?
If I am at the lights against an auto the other driver mashes the pedal and concentrates on not taking out pedestrians, I have a lot more to do and I have to do it right every time. Put another way same car same driver an auto will more often than not win, at least at my level of skill.

But for the record I am OK with that, it wasn't why I bought the car. Happy to take the same driver on in the twisties.
 

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My first car (parents hand me down) was a rear wheel drive automatic, I've been left foot braking since I was 16. I got pretty adept at it when I was stock car racing. I raced a '94 Escort GT in a 4-4-Fun class, the car was a manual but I could run the 3/8 mile paved oval in second gear (just bouncing off the rev limiter at the end of the straights). I found that left foot braking allowed me to go deeper in the corners and really dance on the edge of grip. Great times!

Every vehicle I own now has three pedals so I haven't tried left foot braking in years.
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