Magneride

[btcarmd]

perhaps. I drove @NoVaGT 's car 2 Sundays back and was reminded why I passed. Even in track mode the chassis was entirely too 'wiggly' and 'loose'. Needs hella more rebound damping to settle it down.

Compared to what? I am not debating whether the car is wiggly in track mode but just curious what you are comparing to. It seems we only have a few choices on a Mustang. Stock GT, PP1, PP2, PP1 & 2 with Magneride, or modified aftermarket suspension. It seems to me with my limited exposer to these options that Magneride would be less wiggly then all options except modified aftermarket suspension. But that option would likely eliminate the adjustability that Magneride gives you. Am I wrong?

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[shogun32]

Compared to what? I am not debating whether the car is wiggly in track mode but just curious what you are comparing to

my car, with Steeda's dual-rate springs and pro-action dampers with the rebound cranked almost to the max. Mine is not 'good' in my book. I live with it but I need to swap out the springs for something more sensible and then the compression stroke should work better and I won't have to tax the rebound circuit to keep the sine wave in check.

 

[Rael]

I can't speak for those who track their cars a lot, but I wouldn't buy another Mustang without Magneride. It makes street driving comfy, and on the track, it is leagues ahead of the various cars I raced around in and drove through canyons during the 45 years before I got Magneride.

Most importantly, if I didn't have Magneride, I wouldn't be able to drive my Mustang when my wife wants to go out.

 

[Groovy]

I can't speak for those who track their cars a lot, but I wouldn't buy another Mustang without Magneride. It makes street driving comfy, and on the track, it is leagues ahead of the various cars I raced around in and drove through canyons during the 45 years before I got Magneride.

Most importantly, if I didn't have Magneride, I wouldn't be able to drive my Mustang when my wife wants to go out.

 

[cactus_kid]

Compared to what? I am not debating whether the car is wiggly in track mode but just curious what you are comparing to. It seems we only have a few choices on a Mustang. Stock GT, PP1, PP2, PP1 & 2 with Magneride, or modified aftermarket suspension. It seems to me with my limited exposer to these options that Magneride would be less wiggly then all options except modified aftermarket suspension. But that option would likely eliminate the adjustability that Magneride gives you. Am I wrong?

There is no more PP1 or, PP2. There is only a PP, with or w/o magride.

 

[btcarmd]

my car, with Steeda's dual-rate springs and pro-action dampers with the rebound cranked almost to the max. Mine is not 'good' in my book. I live with it but I need to swap out the springs for something more sensible and then the compression stroke should work better and I won't have to tax the rebound circuit to keep the sine wave in check.

Thanks for the reply. So how does your car feel when not being pushed, cruising down some shitty back road trying not to spill your coffee? I personally have never attempted to build a great handling suspension setup. I am however a 30plus year master tech and have driven a lot of cars that have something other then stock suspension. Although I don't push customer cars hard so I cant really speak to their wiggle when pushed I can say most of them lose any sense of a plush ride in normal driving.
I get the price issue, It is a lot of money and you probably can build a better track suspension for less with aftermarket parts. But for the older guy like me who likely wont spend much time on a track and only does some spirited back road and mountain climbs it seems to be the best of both worlds. I can defiantly feel a difference in each setting when pushing the car and also feel what I think you are calling the wiggle. Especially when pushing the car on that shitty back road I was asking you about! The normal mode with normal driving does make that road feel smoother though.
I see you are in NOVA area, maybe we will run into each other at an event sometime. Would like to see how your car feels with all those suspension mods.

 

[btcarmd]

There is no more PP1 or, PP2. There is only a PP, with or w/o magride.

I was thinking about that as I was typing but figured most of this discussion was dealing with 2020 and older.

 

[shogun32]

Thanks for the reply. So how does your car feel when not being pushed, cruising down some shitty back road trying not to spill your coffee?

a bit too 'firm'. But my coffee comes in 24oz and has a straw so probably not the same level of test.

With good and proper suspension the road disappears under you because the compression stroke is supple and the rebound lets the energy out quickly but not so fast that it overcorrects. Small impacts and rolling undulations should have little chassis effects. Larger impacts should feel like a muffled thump and it's ok to feel it in one's bum but it shouldn't cause the hood to jerk upward or the rear to undulate in sympathy. You also don't want to feel the wheels skipping/stuttering over bumps and imperfections.

Come on up to NoVA (Springfield, Manassas) and try the car for yourself. Or if you're north of US33 I can come to you. If you're north of I-64 you'll have to beg a little harder.

The Magneride is better than mine on sharp-edged impacts and also more compliant on undulations. I want to test it on some local G-outs and my little test loop, but need to bribe @NoVaGT for more seat time. Maybe I'll just "borrow" his car while he's not looking. But where it doesn't do as well is controlling chassis on recovery.

I drove the MR car back to back with mine down a series of 2-lane I'm familiar with and the difference was apparent. If my benchmark was a bog-standard GT, I'd probably be singing MR's praises like a choir boy. I had a choice to buy MR and declined (after several back to back drives of otherwise identical cars - yes, 2 identical N4G EB PP1 at the same dealership) because I wasn't apprised (at the time) of the DSC controller, and the difference just wasn't good enough. But an extra $1600 for DSC and unfinished maps is a very tall order. I also test drove a GT350 several times and could compare it back to back with a SS/1LE and the superiority of the Camaro's MR tuning was painfully obvious.

 

[Egparson202]

I drove the MR car back to back with mine down a series of 2-lane I'm familiar with and the difference was apparent. If my benchmark was a bog-standard GT, I'd probably be singing MR's praises like a choir boy. I had a choice to buy MR and declined (after several back to back drives of otherwise identical cars - yes, 2 identical N4G EB PP1 at the same dealership) because I wasn't apprised (at the time) of the DSC controller, and the difference just wasn't good enough. But an extra $1600 for DSC and unfinished maps is a very tall order. I also test drove a GT350 several times and could compare it back to back with a SS/1LE and the superiority of the Camaro's MR tuning was painfully obvious.

MR owners: Let’s take the plunge on the DSC and work up the finished maps. The allure of suspension tuning by laptop is very tempting, especially in light of observations like these about the untapped potential In the S550 MR suspension.

 

[shogun32]

I likes what I likes and by bitching I'm hoping Steeda might pay attention to revisit their valving. I've driven both for a reason and I prefer the dynamics (as imperfect and falling short of what I want) of the Steeda setup. If you look thru my post history, I was VERY unhappy with the DR+ProAction setup till I cranked the rebound to suit. No, I didn't save any money going with Steeda, that wasn't the point. I have more sensible springs waiting (275/1000). I just haven't done it yet. I don't spend time wrenching on my cars.

If you're just looking for good enough the MR will suffice, even in PP1 guise. I expect the Mach1 has ~same tuning as the GT350 if perhaps better - lessons learned from GT500? I'm not knocking the technology, just Ford's sad-sack effort as shipped with the PP1 and even the GT350. Much better is possible - nee Camaro. Ford needs to send some spies across town.

 

[shogun32]

agreed. I technically have 250's for the front too but Steeda warned off them (coil bind?) and I prefer a slightly higher rate and less preload over lower rate and more preload. I have the SP085 down as 980, not 914. Either way I expect my bitching to reduce significantly after the change.

The rear seems perfectly hooked up to me. The rebound in the rear was needed to clamp the oscillations to 1+some. It simply doesn't have a heavy enough shim stack to handle the 1200 rate when it gets deep into the stroke. Like any traditional shock the settings are a compromise.

I am surprised at the spring rate choice on the M1 but I suspect Ford was chasing 'comfort' more than track performance. I would love nothing more than to drive a M1+HP on my local road/loop and compare and contrast.

 

[Semp1]

I believe 2018 magneride only was able to be added to a pp1 if you equipped an MT82. I don’t believe Ford in 2018 MY allowed magneride on a 10R80. camt 100% remember though. My Mt82 pp1 401a is magneride equipped and I feel like I remember that.

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