Lund vs Livernois

[Diocletian]

Lund does a great job from stock to 7 second cars. there really isn't anyone with their track record out there. livernois is a great company and great people, we are one of their dealers outside of tunes.

lund is a tuning company though, that is all they do, and the amount of tuning they do allows them to get more experience than anyone on the vehicles and combos.

device wise, their isn't a comparison, the ngauge is by far the easiest device to use, 10 times over an sct device, 20x over the livernois box.

you can copy / paste a tune in about 10 seconds and be loading on a car and be done 10 minutes later from the time you opened the box, no going back and forth on the pc, etc.

https://www.teambeefcakeracing.com/lund-racing-custom-tuning.html

I've decided I'm going to go with the Lund nGauge for my 2018 GT, figured I'd ask if you all got a discount code or if I should wait for a sale.

Doesn't hurt to ask I guess!

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[Livernois Motorsports]

And that actually addresses my question. People are saying your device can't data log (I have no clue) but it's not required. However, how are you going to properly tune a higher modified car without logging? This is not a bash at all, I am just honestly asking this because I can't fathom the idea of not needing to log for most applications. Maybe for a catback only car it would be a moot point, but beyond that, I would want to be sure everything is dialed in. No two cars and customers alike. Fuel availability, elevation, mods, etc.

The device we currently have does not data log yes but you can take the car to a tuning shop and have them pull data from the car and send us the logs and we can adjust as needed for higher built cars, also we prefer to have the higher end builds done here that way we know everything is right and properly installed that way our customers are completely satisfied with the car when it is returned!:cheers:

 

[Roh92cp]

The device we currently have does not data log yes but you can take the car to a tuning shop and have them pull data from the car and send us the logs and we can adjust as needed for higher built cars, also we prefer to have the higher end builds done here that way we know everything is right and properly installed that way our customers are completely satisfied with the car when it is returned!:cheers:

How can you guys not know of this issue with one of your customers cars here. You need to read and respond to this thread.
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105940

 

[Burkey]

How can you guys not know of this issue with one of your customers cars here. You need to read and respond to this thread.
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105940

“we prefer to have the higher end builds done here that way we know everything is right and properly installed that way our customers are completely satisfied with the car when it is returned!”

Except that one time that it went BOOM and we take no responsibility for it

 

[Burkey]

The devise looks dated, but all you do with it is flash your tune and put it away somewhere..

If you want to datalog there are plenty of options, some better/easier/faster sampling than an SCT or nGaguge. BUT if the tune is done well, you wont need to data log..

How would you know if you had false knock (for example)if you don’t log?

 

[texasboy21]

How would you know if you had false knock (for example)if you don’t log?

"If you want to datalog there are plenty of options, some better/easier/faster sampling than an SCT or nGaguge. BUT if the tune is done well, you wont need to data log."

:cheers:

 

[Burkey]

"If you want to datalog there are plenty of options, some better/easier/faster sampling than an SCT or nGaguge. BUT if the tune is done well, you wont need to data log."

:cheers:

Not sure if you get my point....
False knock has nothing to do with the tune.
Example.
Customer buys tune that makes no provision for logging.
Fits headers (for example) and loads tune
Headers are clashing slightly, pulling a few degrees of timing.
Customer knows NO DIFFERENT because it’s the first time he’s driven his car in this new configuration. Finds the performance completely acceptable because it’s faster than it was before.
Customer is missing out/has no idea that there’s potential left in the combo.

 

[Sighlense]

BUT if the tune is done well, you wont need to data log."

And if it’s not the customer has no idea and engine goes BOOM. Then they blame it on bad gas...

 

[Burkey]

And if it’s not the customer has no idea and engine goes BOOM. Then they blame it on bad gas...

Excellent point :clap2:

 

[Nuked]

For the majority of bolt on NA stuff, the knock sensors will save your ass if you get a bad tank of gas. Once you are boosted or add nitrous to the equation the window for error gets much smaller and the aggressiveness of the tune can dictate an even smaller window. No way in hell would I run a boosted application on anything other than a stock OEM tune backed by a warranty without being able to log and preferably see real time data.

Even bolt on NA I like being able to view the data in real time for peace of mind. Every time I fill up I drive it normally for a couple miles then do slow WOT burst to see if I am getting any knock. You don't have to do a full pull to see if the gas is a bad tank. I have had a shit tank before and it will go positive pretty quick.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

How can you guys not know of this issue with one of your customers cars here. You need to read and respond to this thread.
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105940

We are already on top of this it seems more than likely the vehicle had an engine failure that was not tune related but faulty engine related, possibly having too tight of ring gap or having very poor quality fuel we are already working on the car and can update as soon as we find the root cause, but we had the car here and have logs proving the tune was not the issue and we have also done a huge amount of these setups on 15-17 mustangs and never had any of them have an issue with engine failure to this date besides this one :cheers:

 

[Sighlense]

Car had issues soon after the install. Customer reported them on numerous occasions. You took car in and put 120 miles on it and returned it to customer with nothing to report. Car eventually takes a shit. How can you have logs when your device doesn’t even have the capability, and you never had customer perform any....not that he could. Only thing customer could observe is that the car ran rich as all hell.

 

[Need4Speed15]

Edit...Ah, not worth going back & forth. Best of luck to the OP with getting his car fixed and sorted out.

 

[Dr. Norts]

Having a finger pointing match on the forums isn't going to help anything. Let the OP deal with it. I can almost guarantee Livernois or ANY other reputable company would/will make it right. This isn't boostworks here were talking about lol.

Also to everyone who's car it isn't...Livernois owes you nothing. Not even an explanation regardless of what you think. This is between Livernois and the OP.

Just sayin.

 

[Sighlense]

Having a finger pointing match on the forums isn't going to help anything. Let the OP deal with it. I can almost guarantee Livernois or ANY other reputable company would/will make it right. This isn't boostworks here were talking about lol.

Also to everyone who's car it isn't...Livernois owes you nothing. Not even an explanation regardless of what you think. This is between Livernois and the OP.

Just sayin.

You’re right...they owe us nothing. It’s their reputation.

Just sayin.

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