Lund vs Livernois

[Sighlense]

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[Mustang_Lou]

I don't agree completely with that logic. On mine I have 6 PID's shown. Alch %, ECT, Diff Temp, Knock and LTFT. I use them as additional gauges to what you have in the IPC. You can see trends such as LTFT going one way vs the other (possible leak) Alch is useful to know what kind of blend you have, ECT can alert you if you have something going on cooling wise and good to compare between CHT and the Diff is very useful if you track or drive hard. Knock I get your point about being hard to really see during a pull, but I use it to compare tanks of gas during short WOT stabs.

As someone who tuned before, I like being able to see the data and putting together what the ECU is doing in certain situations. Thats just me though.

I hear ya as well. You're using them as a general engine health barometer perhaps for optimization potential more than anything.

I check fuel trims here and there and then once I know they're fine I don't bother again for another few months or so.

Anything that goes beyond thresholds will throw a CEL. You appear to want to catch anything before that point and I respect that.

 

[Sean@LethalPerformance]

Can't go wrong with the company who specializes in the service that your looking for. The guys over at Lund Racing knows these engines like the back of their hand at this point. Top notch tunes, excellent customer service and the most user friendly device on the market, the nGauge. Go Lund Racing and you won't be disappointed.

 

[Beerdy]

The question I have for the people who say logging capabilities aren't necessary in a device if the tune is good... is the person who is writing your tune not asking for logs? Or are they sending you a one off tune and saying, "Here's a generic tune that should be good for you."

 

[Olivas]

The question I have for the people who say logging capabilities aren't necessary in a device if the tune is good... is the person who is writing your tune not asking for logs? Or are they sending you a one off tune and saying, "Here's a generic tune that should be good for you."

Right, that's kind of my thinking. I know the tuners are good and all, but different cars are going to have their individual nuances and hard to imagine a tuner nailing this right on first try. I'm sure they'll be in the ballpark, but dead spot on? And then how are they (you) even going to know without logging. Think I'd question the tuner if they didn't want logs. I went with AED for my tune, and Shaun wanted baseline logs before he even started anything. Then logs after each revision (there were 2). Car drove fine after the first one, and I probably would have been happy with that, but he still thought he could dial it in more.

 

[Dr. Norts]

Right, that's kind of my thinking. I know the tuners are good and all, but different cars are going to have their individual nuances and hard to imagine a tuner nailing this right on first try. I'm sure they'll be in the ballpark, but dead spot on? And then how are they (you) even going to know without logging. Think I'd question the tuner if they didn't want logs. I went with AED for my tune, and Shaun wanted baseline logs before he even started anything. Then logs after each revision (there were 2). Car drove fine after the first one, and I probably would have been happy with that, but he still thought he could dial it in more.

@Livernois has test cars and has tested pretty much every mod possible on the dyno. If they haven't tested it on a test car you can bet they've installed / dyno tuned it on a customer's car. The ecu is smart/capable enough to adjust from there this isnt 1991, the ECU in your car is way smarter / more adaptable and capable than you'd think.

I've not heard of one person using livernois having their engine blow let alone have issues with their tunes. This datalogging fear mongering has got to stop. If you do have issues they are more than willing to help rectify them.

I pay a tuner to tune my car, not drive around all day collecting datalogs trying to get my tune right. There should be no need for 2,3,4 revisions to get an intake and exhaust tune right. It should be right from the get go. More complicated builds/mods should be getting an actual dyno tune. Street tuning is for the birds.

 

[Olivas]

@Livernois has test cars and has tested pretty much every mod possible on the dyno. If they haven't tested it on a test car you can bet they've installed / dyno tuned it on a customer's car. The ecu is smart/capable enough to adjust from there this isnt 1991, the ECU in your car is way smarter / more adaptable and capable than you'd think.

I've not heard of one person using livernois having their engine blow let alone have issues with their tunes. This datalogging fear mongering has got to stop. If you do have issues they are more than willing to help rectify them.

I pay a tuner to tune my car, not drive around all day collecting datalogs trying to get my tune right. There should be no need for 2,3,4 revisions to get an intake and exhaust tune right. It should be right from the get go. More complicated builds/mods should be getting an actual dyno tune. Street tuning is for the birds.

I not bagging on Livernois, nor I have dealt with them, just from what I'm hearing here. I don't believe their tunes are going to make any 'engine blow', I'm sure they err on the side of caution when making their tunes. Just to me it sounds like you're getting a tune for a car with your mods, not your car. If that makes sense.

 

[Sighlense]

@Livernois has test cars and has tested pretty much every mod possible on the dyno.

You sure about that? If i had time to dig thru search i am pretty sure i can find a few posts where it was said that they had to have the car in their shop (Michigan) in order to tune for said add-ons. I know this because that is why i decided to go with Lund. They can send me a tune for pretty much everything under the sun, and datalog it to dial it in. Relax on the "fear mongering", nobody is putting down your tune(er) - just stating facts.

 

[limited02]

I don't have a Mustang, but I do have a Livernois tuned 2012 Lincoln MKS and couldn't be happier. Ran a 13.3 in +3250 DA weighing 4670lbs (I'm 175lbs) and a week ago, put the hurt on my friends 2016 Chevy SS sedan from a dig up to around 70 when we both had to let off (I was 1.5 cars ahead). I've been tuned for around 30K miles on their 93+X race tune and it's been a blast. Runs perfect and if I will always use them to tune whatever I get if they have a tune available. My vote is LMS.

 

[Sighlense]

meh, you can find an unhappy person about any mod if you search long enough, just stating fact.

Wasn't talking about an unhappy person, i was talking about Livernois not being able to tune somebody's vehicle without having it in their shop in Michigan - just stating fact. Livernois tune owners here sure are touchy. :shrug:

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Wasn't talking about an unhappy person, i was talking about Livernois not being able to tune somebody's vehicle without having it in their shop in Michigan - just stating fact. Livernois tune owners here sure are touchy. :shrug:

Only thing we really try to not remote tune is nitrous, we even have blower remote tunes for the superchargers and corresponding mods we use and we are even willing to data log back and forth to get a tune down for a vehicle, we just prefer to have the car here and be hands on with it that way we can get a customers tune done in a timely fashion! :cheers:

 

[Dak2Zeke]

Lots of good tunes available from our 6g vendors.

The ability to load the tune and put the device away was a plus for the [MENTION=11090]Livernois Motorsports[/MENTION] MyCalibrator Tuning device. In addition, they provide free tuning updates for life. If you perform a search on this forum you will find a bunch of threads like this one for your reading enjoyment. :cheers:

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50 HP and 43 LBs of torque? From a simple time? I just don't believe that. Can anyone else chime in?

 

[Beerdy]

And that actually addresses my question. People are saying your device can't data log (I have no clue) but it's not required. However, how are you going to properly tune a higher modified car without logging? This is not a bash at all, I am just honestly asking this because I can't fathom the idea of not needing to log for most applications. Maybe for a catback only car it would be a moot point, but beyond that, I would want to be sure everything is dialed in. No two cars and customers alike. Fuel availability, elevation, mods, etc.

Only thing we really try to not remote tune is nitrous, we even have blower remote tunes for the superchargers and corresponding mods we use and we are even willing to data log back and forth to get a tune down for a vehicle, we just prefer to have the car here and be hands on with it that way we can get a customers tune done in a timely fashion! :cheers:

 

[keiths2kgt]

Wish I could have a @livernois tune with the nGauge.

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