Juggernaut outed

[Evolvd]

Because he can’t tune or because he’s an internet asshole? Asking for a friend.

Well I have no experience with the former and he’s proven the latter. He could be the best Ford tuner in the world but I won’t spend money on people who publicly bash their customers.

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[AZlb5.0]

Are you saying some people start from scratch? My belief was they modified existing info rather than starting over.

When you buy a tune, they never call it a Ford tune even though Ford probably did 99% of the work.

Exactly tunes are expansion of already set parameters/tables to optimize performance of an engine. The only tunes that are “ground up” tunes are the ones done by factory engineers. Everything else is a trial and error of expanding said parameters/ tables and I don’t see Ford coming after anyone. If I had the patience I’d try my hand at tuning and what would be my “blank slate?” Fords oem tune on an engine.

 

[illtal]

I don't understand the reference.

If you don't understand google it.... Lawyers tell you not to self snitch when cops come asking questions. Same thing.

 

[bankyf]

If you don't understand google it.... Lawyers tell you not to self snitch when cops come asking questions. Same thing.

What is he self snitching on though? What is significant about his tools?

 

[illtal]

Are you saying some people start from scratch? My belief was they modified existing info rather than starting over.

When you buy a tune, they never call it a Ford tune even though Ford probably did 99% of the work.

Check yourself....

So you're saying, NO ONE has a custom tune? Ford did all the work? Last I checked there are tons of things that can be and should be changed from an FI to NA tune. Even a NA tune is loads different from a factory file.

If Ford is indeed handing out FI tunes for non FI cars it would have to not go against the clean air act.

When a person makes a file from scratch or even modifies existing tune files it would take many hours to get certain aspects of it correct. It's always easy to wot tune a car. Much harder to get it to have basic road manners.

 

[illtal]

What is he self snitching on though? What is significant about his tools?

Yea he admitted to downloading and modifying a locked lund tune man.....

 

[illtal]

Exactly tunes are expansion of already set parameters/tables to optimize performance of an engine. The only tunes that are “ground up” tunes are the ones done by factory engineers. Everything else is a trial and error of expanding said parameters/ tables and I don’t see Ford coming after anyone. If I had the patience I’d try my hand at tuning and what would be my “blank slate?” Fords oem tune on an engine.

That would be very difficult to even get a car to start without knowing exactly what every parameter does.

Even nowadays standalone ecus do not make a person start from scratch.

 

[K4fxd]

Unfortunately, that is extremely uncommon in the Ford tuning world.

Starting from scratch? or modifying Fords cal

 

[Angrey]

This whole tuner shit/drama is comical.

Every single tuner out there rips off someone else. Every one of them has pirated Ford's baseline tunes and simply modified the parts that they felt updated/improved it to their needs.

There is no copyright or intellectual property rights for hacked/pirated tunes (which are largely against the law anyway).

If the debate is "who's actually making the better improvements and who's stealing someone else's work" it's still dubious.

If you send me a recipe for ribs, and I like most of your version, but I want to add or remove or change the quantities of the ingredients, it now becomes MY recipe.

And again, ALL OF THEM have stolen Ford's work.

 

[Velocityblue5oh]

And this is why I stick with the smaller guys like Wengred, Shaun, and Ortiz. Guys don't have drama. Tune your car, have you datalog and Then send you updated files. Rinse and Repeat. No name calling he said she said lol.

 

[bankyf]

Starting from scratch? or modifying Fords cal

My comment was in response to the statement about tuners sending you their modified version of Ford’s file. I think it’s a safe assumption that no aftermarket calibrator has the means to create a calibration capable of running in the OEM PCM from scratch.

 

[Hack]

Check yourself....

So you're saying, NO ONE has a custom tune? Ford did all the work? Last I checked there are tons of things that can be and should be changed from an FI to NA tune. Even a NA tune is loads different from a factory file.

If Ford is indeed handing out FI tunes for non FI cars it would have to not go against the clean air act.

When a person makes a file from scratch or even modifies existing tune files it would take many hours to get certain aspects of it correct. It's always easy to wot tune a car. Much harder to get it to have basic road manners.

What I'm saying is that you can't have it both ways. Either taking what's in there and modifying it makes a "new" tune completed by the modifier, or it's all Ford's tune and no one else should get credit for creating a tune.

This whole tuner shit/drama is comical.

Every single tuner out there rips off someone else. Every one of them has pirated Ford's baseline tunes and simply modified the parts that they felt updated/improved it to their needs.

There is no copyright or intellectual property rights for hacked/pirated tunes (which are largely against the law anyway).

If the debate is "who's actually making the better improvements and who's stealing someone else's work" it's still dubious.

If you send me a recipe for ribs, and I like most of your version, but I want to add or remove or change the quantities of the ingredients, it now becomes MY recipe.

And again, ALL OF THEM have stolen Ford's work.

Yes.

 

[K4fxd]

It's a 4 cycle internal combustion engine. There is only so much a tuner can do. Basically they optimize A/F spark and cam timing. Every tuner will have very similar results.

Where the grey area is is Fords operating system and understanding it. There are many things one can change that result in 6 other things changing in ways we do not want.

One reason many tuners left SCT was due to a end user agreement change that said SCT owned all tunes.

It is Ford's OS.

 

[AZlb5.0]

That would be very difficult to even get a car to start without knowing exactly what every parameter does.

Even nowadays standalone ecus do not make a person start from scratch.

And you’re get what I’m saying. What people are charging is for the time it takes to expand on these files. They can’t even call it proprietary because it isn’t. You go into HP tuners boards and people are exchanging ideas and experience. I’d put some of these lesser known tuners against any of these “professionals.”Look in here, guys who have experience tuning are always helping others who are starting out.

Its a very public ***k measuring contest

 

[Angrey]

It's a 4 cycle internal combustion engine. There is only so much a tuner can do. Basically they optimize A/F spark and cam timing. Every tuner will have very similar results.

Where the grey area is is Fords operating system and understanding it. There are many things one can change that result in 6 other things changing in ways we do not want.

One reason many tuners left SCT was due to a end user agreement change that said SCT owned all tunes.

It is Ford's OS.

Some of Ford's stuff is really elegant, and other stuff is just way unnecessarily complicated. There's way WAY too many "nanny" features within the tune that try to safeguard the drivetrain/transmission from overtorque. You don't need 28 torque tables to manage a tune. The charging system strategies again are just WAY over complicated.

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