I like COVID 19

[Caballus]

Finally you get it. Delete the NOT

NOT qualified to opine on government structure.

What site is this? JagUar? McClaren? Aston (with a German engine)? No, wait. It's a Mustang site. An American car. On an American server. Based in America...

NOT qualified.

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[Gregs24]

If you're describing (criticizing) an American system, why not use American English? Oh for British arrogance...

It is completely relevant. You, having never lived in a decentralized nation, but being the subject of one that perpetuated them would be the one who lacks respect and understanding for the same.

You have no idea where I have lived and I will continue to use my native English, you accuse ME of arrogance! You make yourself look very silly and I am not going to reply further to you as I have better things to do. I'm just off to pick my nose

 

[Caballus]

You have no idea where I have lived and I will continue to use the my native English, you accuse ME of arrogance! You make yourself look very silly and I am not going to reply further to you as I have better things to do. I'm just off to pick my nose

It's obvious that you have not lived in many meaningful places.

Sorry to have made YOU look so silly; did it without trying...

No one speaks or understands English anymore, not even the English. Turn on your "telie" or radio and listen to the accents...English is extinct. American is the lingua franca.

Wash your hands before and after you pick!!

 

[Burkey]

I’ll just leave this here.
Of course you can make statistics say whatever you want, but who in the actual fuck do China think they’re kidding?

 

[Caballus]

I’ll just leave this here.
Of course you can make statistics say whatever you want, but who in the actual fuck do China think they’re kidding?

To any degree that they may be accurate, they would be more meaningful if they were per capita...not suggesting a homework assignment.

 

[Docscurlock]

On what basis - fake news ?

For the basis that it is foreign propaganda

 

[Docscurlock]

If you don't like the definition don't blame me.

The definition is for how the country is administered not the political ideology.

US fits the definition, it doesn't define the definition however (subtle difference)

All of them were old examples, why don't we use the Republic of Rome also. I don't even think you could argue that Russia, Ethiopia and Venezuela have any type of "Representative government. Venezuela and Russia are both run by dictators and Ethiopia is a fragmented state run by warlords.

 

[Gregs24]

For the basis that it is foreign propaganda

Propaganda by whom ????

I went to great length in that post to clearly explain why it wasn't fake / biased etc. Now you raise propaganda, but you are going to have to explain why, because I can't for the life of me work out what you are on about ?

 

[Gregs24]

All of them were old examples, why don't we use the Republic of Rome also. I don't even think you could argue that Russia, Ethiopia and Venezuela have any type of "Representative government. Venezuela and Russia are both run by dictators and Ethiopia is a fragmented state run by warlords.

18 on the list are current including Germany, Austria, Mexico ...

They are what they are according to the definition, as to what they are like to live in and democratic standards I'm sure they vary but that isn't in the definition.

 

[lateinthegame]

Current COVID stats. 5.2% have died.

 

[Docscurlock]

Propaganda by whom ????

I went to great length in that post to clearly explain why it wasn't fake / biased etc. Now you raise propaganda, but you are going to have to explain why, because I can't for the life of me work out what you are on about ?

I have watched BBC news before, it is like watching CNN with a cool accent. It is so far left that nothing they say can be trusted until you rinse out the leftist propaganda. Once that is gone we are left with just broken fragments of sentences. Only people on the far left watch CNN or MSNBC which explains their abysmal ratings. They can't be trusted to present any factual news, it is all twisted by their "agenda". Multiple times, their leftist agenda has been brought to light but it doesn't seem to matter to people on the left. No wonder you have such an unfortunate and skewed opinion of our country, you are getting your news directly from the DNC. Look at NY as an example, the mayor told people to exercise their freedom and mingle freely after warnings form the Trump admin, it wasn't until the hospitals were full and people were dying that they changed their tune, now it is all Trump's fault. Look at the travel bans Trump put into place very early in the outbreak, he was called a racist xenophobe by the left for days ("He hates Chinese people now!"), now they are screaming that he should have done it earlier. If these leftists were in charge we would all be dead by now. Look at this chart, you should be screaming at your government to copy the US recommendations. From your beloved BBC BTW so who knows if it is true.

 

[Gregs24]

I have watched BBC news before, it is like watching CNN with a cool accent. It is so far left that nothing they say can be trusted until you rinse out the leftist propaganda. Once that is gone we are left with just broken fragments of sentences. Only people on the far left watch CNN or MSNBC which explains their abysmal ratings. They can't be trusted to present any factual news, it is all twisted by their "agenda". Multiple times, their leftist agenda has been brought to light but it doesn't seem to matter to people on the left. No wonder you have such an unfortunate and skewed opinion of our country, you are getting your news directly from the DNC. Look at NY as an example, the mayor told people to exercise their freedom and mingle freely after warnings form the Trump admin, it wasn't until the hospitals were full and people were dying that they changed their tune, now it is all Trump's fault. Look at the travel bans Trump put into place very early in the outbreak, he was called a racist xenophobe by the left for days ("He hates Chinese people now!"), now they are screaming that he should have done it earlier. If these leftists were in charge we would all be dead by now. Look at this chart, you should be screaming at your government to copy the US recommendations. From your beloved BBC BTW so who knows if it is true.

I've explained at length that death rates as a percentage of tested cases do not represent the death rate from the disease - I'm not doing it all again - it's about 10 pages back.

Your views on the BBC - which I don't agree with (but accept your view is exactly that) - are not relevant to the post on Prof. Levi and his quote. There is nothing in that post that you can argue with other than Dr Levi's opinion (copied below) Please copy and highlight anything you consider an example of propaganda, fake news or bias within my post below



Fake news is where the reported news is either materially untrue or modified in such a way to make it misrepresent the true news

Bias is where either by omission or manipulation the story is made to seem different from the true news - this can be for political or other reasons

The item I have re posted below is none of those.

The BBC have quoted an eminent, appropriately qualified, US professional who has expressed an opinion. The BBC role in this is minimal (factual reporting of a quote) and is neither fake, nor biased, but factual. Prof Levi has expressed an opinion based on verifiable fact (therefore not fake) and has included examples of states that have done well and others that have not, therefore not biased.

In addition you cannot criticise me, the BBC, nor Prof. Levi. I have quoted the BBC (factually and directly by copy and paste) who have, as explained above, quoted Prof. Levi (factually and directly) and Prof. Levi has expressed a professional opinion from his appropriate recognised area of expertise on the subject.

You, nor anybody else, can claim fake news / biased news / political interference just because you don't like it or it differs from your opinion. You and others can disagree with it, based on your knowledge and understanding, but the latter part is crucial in qualifying the value of your opinion. I am not a nuclear physicist and so my opinions on nuclear reactor performance are worth the square root of jack shit compared to a professor of nuclear physics. I also hasten to add I have NOT expressed an opinion of Prof. Levi's quotes - merely posted them, I am not an expert in his field and so my opinion would be unqualified and invalid. I do like to hear the opinions of people who are qualified to give them, which is why I posted the original item so that other forum members could also benefit.



The US federal system of government, which delegates broad powers to individual states, has proven to be both a blessing and a curse. In good times, it allows local leaders to experiment individually with various public policy solutions, testing out best practices that can then be adopted across the nation.

In the case of a deadly pandemic, however, a patchwork response can be inadequate - and result in avoidable deaths and economic disruption.

"Every governor is making decisions on their own," Levi says. "Some are making good decisions; some are not."

He points to governors like Gavin Newsom of California and Jay Inslee of Washington, who took early steps to close schools and issue shelter-in-place orders that have resulted in a slower spread of the virus in their populations.

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine has also received praise from many quarters for his decisive early moves that at the time were viewed by some as too drastic.

Health officials say most major US metropolitan areas were going to be hit has hard as New York City has been. That, they said, may not end up being the case.

Some states are working hard to avoid suffering New York's fate, but Levi warns that their efforts may be hampered by other locations not doing nearly enough.

"The problem we have in the US," he says, " is the capacity to respond varies so dramatically on a state-by-state basis because of the willingness to invest in public health."

"We are only as protected as the weakest states."

 

[lateinthegame]

Supposedly, this is pretty accurate. Maybe China is not telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth

 

[Gregs24]

Supposedly, this is pretty accurate. Maybe China is not telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth

It's updated daily so should be. Who knows what is happening in China but there are only really two options. Either what you are seeing is correct and they have gone over a peak and controlling the small number of cases they are getting or it is growing exponentially and the bodies are piling up - there isn't really a half way house that you could fake.

What happens elsewhere will probably give us a clue in a few weeks as we should all do what they have done in terms of the shape of the graph assuming control methods are used to restrict the R0. There do seem to be 'superspreaders' as well which isn't an unusual concept in disease transmission where one person is capable of infecting large numbers of other people very efficiently. The R0 for COVID is estimated to be 2.25 to 2.5 (compared to say Measles at around 13 to 15) but you don't need many superspreaders to crank that up. Having said that the opposite can also help if you can identify and isolate the superspreaders. Lots still to learn about COVID and understanding the epidemiology is a huge specialist area well beyond the remit of a car forum.

As posted before antibody testing will only give us the true picture of true disease penetration into the population as there are far too many people who are asymptomatic that don't know they have even had it but can pass it on

 

[Docscurlock]

Fake news is where the reported news is either materially untrue or modified in such a way to make it misrepresent the true news

Bias is where either by omission or manipulation the story is made to seem different from the true news - this can be for political or other reasons

The item I have re posted below is none of those.

The BBC have quoted an eminent, appropriately qualified, US professional who has expressed an opinion. The BBC role in this is minimal (factual reporting of a quote) and is neither fake, nor biased, but factual. Prof Levi has expressed an opinion based on verifiable fact (therefore not fake) and has included examples of states that have done well and others that have not, therefore not biased.

In addition you cannot criticise me, the BBC, nor Prof. Levi. I have quoted the BBC (factually and directly by copy and paste) who have, as explained above, quoted Prof. Levi (factually and directly) and Prof. Levi has expressed a professional opinion from his appropriate recognised area of expertise on the subject.




The US federal system of government, which delegates broad powers to individual states, has proven to be both a blessing and a curse. In good times, it allows local leaders to experiment individually with various public policy solutions, testing out best practices that can then be adopted across the nation.

In the case of a deadly pandemic, however, a patchwork response can be inadequate - and result in avoidable deaths and economic disruption.

"Every governor is making decisions on their own," Levi says. "Some are making good decisions; some are not."

He points to governors like Gavin Newsom of California and Jay Inslee of Washington, who took early steps to close schools and issue shelter-in-place orders that have resulted in a slower spread of the virus in their populations.

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine has also received praise from many quarters for his decisive early moves that at the time were viewed by some as too drastic.

Health officials say most major US metropolitan areas were going to be hit has hard as New York City has been. That, they said, may not end up being the case.

Some states are working hard to avoid suffering New York's fate, but Levi warns that their efforts may be hampered by other locations not doing nearly enough.

"The problem we have in the US," he says, " is the capacity to respond varies so dramatically on a state-by-state basis because of the willingness to invest in public health."

"We are only as protected as the weakest states."

Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one. A non biased news organization would present 2 doctors with differing opinions and let the people decide for themselves. The leftists in our country are trying to run us down the rabbit hole of European style socialism and I don't want any part of it. I will fight it until I die or become too old to care. We are Americans, we don't want to live like you guys, if it is a little cumbersome in times like this, so be it. You can see from your own published BBC data that per capita we are way ahead of Great Britain in reducing the mortality of CV19. Everywhere we are having problems people live like sardines, there are no cases of CV19 around where I live.

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