I like COVID 19

[Shadow277]

I think you better be careful. According to you, people get dumber as they get older; better make the best of that great wisdom before it's overtaken by experience.

I think you better be careful. According to you, people get dumber as they get older; better make the best of that great wisdom before it's overtaken by experience.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

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[Caballus]

OK final reply, because you are the one that isn't getting it

Death rate = No. deaths / number of cases

NOBODY has the bottom figure, only estimates based on incomplete data / inadequate testing / no antibody testing. The figures you have quoted are statistically meaningless because of this. If you want to believe something from them then go ahead, but don't use that information to try and prove a point because it doesn't.

Both countries could be in identical positions but with the two different figures you see - this is where error bars are useful because in this case they will be very big and overlapping

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_bar

I'm really not being rude - you do need to understand statistics and data analysis to understand why you are wrong

Disagree or not getting it? Appears to me you are not getting it.

100 confirmed cases 2 confirmed deaths = 2%

150 confirmed cases (better testing) 2 confirmed deaths = 1.3%

Deaths did not change, because we know which ones were from COVID
Confirmed cases changed, because we either increased testing or presumed 50% more than we confirmed
Result is lower percentage for the country that has more cases confirmed, which you argue is the U.S.

What is there not to get?

 

[Gregs24]

We are calculating based on KNOWN infected. You will NEVER know total number; never, ever, ever. So, you can only go by what you know, which is equally accurate in the sense that we are comparing two nations with advanced medical capabilities.

Actually, we probably will to a fairly accurate degree based on antibody testing

 

[Caballus]

Actually, we probably will to a fairly accurate degree based on antibody testing

Then the 7 vs. 2 will stand or our 2 will decrease. Point stands.

 

[Gregs24]

Disagree or not getting it? Appears to me you are not getting it.

100 confirmed cases 2 confirmed deaths = 2%

150 confirmed cases (better testing) 2 confirmed deaths = 1.3%

Deaths did not change, because we know which ones were from COVID
Confirmed cases changed, because we either increased testing or presumed 50% more than we confirmed
Result is lower percentage for the country that has more cases confirmed, which you argue is the U.S.

What is there not to get?

OK one more - confirmed cases figure you are using is NOT actual cases therefore the calculation is pointless. Actual cases can only be arrived at by antibody testing which isn't happening yet.

2 deaths out of 100 confirmed test positive cases is not the death rate for the disease it is the death rate for tested positive cases - they are NOT the same thing

 

[Caballus]

OK one more - confirmed cases figure you are using is NOT actual cases therefore the calculation is pointless. Actual cases can only be arrived at by antibody testing which isn't happening yet.

2 deaths out of 100 confirmed test positive cases is not the death rate for the disease it is the death rate for tested positive cases - they are NOT the same thing

2 of 100 was an example using a round figure. However, since you mention it, we are averaging about that.

We are comparing deaths from positive tested cases. That is what the figures are:

US Positives: 190k
UK positives: 25k

US deaths: 4k
UK deaths: 1.8k

Own it.

 

[Gregs24]

On a map but one of the few Republics in existence and yes we are proud of that

More Federal Republics than I realised

Looks like we even gave it a go

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  Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela

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  Bosnia and Herzegovina (since 1995)

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  Commonwealth of England (1649–1653)

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  Czechoslovakia: Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (1969–1990), Czech and Slovak Federative Republic (1990–1992)

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  Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia (unitary republic 1974–1994; federal republic since 1994)

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  Federal Republic of Cameroon (1961–1972)

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  Federal Republic of Somalia (since August 2012)

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  Federative Republic of Brazil (since November 15, 1889)[17]

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  Federal Republic of Germany (since 1918)

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  Gran Colombia (Republic of Colombia) (1819–1886), known as Great Colombia from 1819 to 1831, when it included present-day Ecuador, Venezuela and Panama.

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  Islamic Republic of Pakistan (since 1956; declaration of the Islamic Republic)

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  Second Federal Republic of Mexico (1846–1864)

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  United Mexican States[18] (since 1917)

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  Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal (since 2007)[19]

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  Federal Republic of Nigeria (1963–66:1st Republic, 1979–83: 2nd Republic, 1993: 3rd Republic, 1999–present: 4th Republic)

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  Argentine Republic (since 1852)

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  Republic of India (since January 26, 1950)

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  Republic of South Sudan (since 9 July 2011)

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  Republic of Sudan (since 1 January 1956)

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  Republic of Austria

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  Russian Federation (since November 7, 1917; up to 1991 it was named Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic[20])[21]

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  State Union of Serbia and Montenegro (2003–2006)

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  Switzerland (1848–present), a federal republic but called the Swiss Confederation

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  Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (1922–1991)

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  United Provinces of Central America (1823–1840)

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  United States of America[22] (since 1789)

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  United States of Indonesia (1949–1950)

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  Yugoslavia: Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia (1946–1963), Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1963–1992), Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1992–2003)

 

[Burkey]

As previously mentioned, either I believe some rando on the ever so trustful internet, or I listen to a medical professional with over 35 years of practicing medicine.

I might go find myself a doctor who thinks smoking isn’t an issue for my health.
It’ll make me feel much better knowing that I have the OPINION of ONE doctor, even though his/her opinion is completely at odds with all of the available evidence and the overwhelming consensus of those who are highly trained across a broad range of fields.

I think your “medical professional” might in fact be a person who cleans the hospital.

 

[Shadow277]

Red herring.

 

[Gregs24]

Red herring.

Maybe you should listen to what the VP is saying

US Vice President Mike Pence has compared the US trajectory to Italy's, the worst-hit country in Europe with the highest global death toll.

Mr Pence said the latest models for the outbreak suggested that Italy might be the country most comparable to the US.

Washington has already warned that up to a quarter of a million Americans could die in the pandemic, even if strict social distancing was practised.

New York remains the country's worst hit state. Sobering pictures from New York City have shown bodies being loaded onto refrigerated morgue trucks outside hospitals.

Other clusters are also flaring up in places like New Orleans and Detroit. In Connecticut, a six-month-old has died from Covid-19, believed to be America’s youngest victim of the virus so far.

 

[Gregs24]

The US federal system of government, which delegates broad powers to individual states, has proven to be both a blessing and a curse. In good times, it allows local leaders to experiment individually with various public policy solutions, testing out best practices that can then be adopted across the nation.

In the case of a deadly pandemic, however, a patchwork response can be inadequate - and result in avoidable deaths and economic disruption.

"Every governor is making decisions on their own," Levi says. "Some are making good decisions; some are not."

He points to governors like Gavin Newsom of California and Jay Inslee of Washington, who took early steps to close schools and issue shelter-in-place orders that have resulted in a slower spread of the virus in their populations.

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine has also received praise from many quarters for his decisive early moves that at the time were viewed by some as too drastic.

Health officials say most major US metropolitan areas were going to be hit has hard as New York City has been. That, they said, may not end up being the case.

Some states are working hard to avoid suffering New York's fate, but Levi warns that their efforts may be hampered by other locations not doing nearly enough.

"The problem we have in the US," he says, " is the capacity to respond varies so dramatically on a state-by-state basis because of the willingness to invest in public health."

"We are only as protected as the weakest states."

This would suggest 'decentralise' isn't the answer after all ?

 

[Gregs24]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654

More interesting information on what was being discussed yesterday

 

[Shadow277]

The US federal system of government, which delegates broad powers to individual states, has proven to be both a blessing and a curse. In good times, it allows local leaders to experiment individually with various public policy solutions, testing out best practices that can then be adopted across the nation.

In the case of a deadly pandemic, however, a patchwork response can be inadequate - and result in avoidable deaths and economic disruption.

"Every governor is making decisions on their own," Levi says. "Some are making good decisions; some are not."

He points to governors like Gavin Newsom of California and Jay Inslee of Washington, who took early steps to close schools and issue shelter-in-place orders that have resulted in a slower spread of the virus in their populations.

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine has also received praise from many quarters for his decisive early moves that at the time were viewed by some as too drastic.

Health officials say most major US metropolitan areas were going to be hit has hard as New York City has been. That, they said, may not end up being the case.

Some states are working hard to avoid suffering New York's fate, but Levi warns that their efforts may be hampered by other locations not doing nearly enough.

"The problem we have in the US," he says, " is the capacity to respond varies so dramatically on a state-by-state basis because of the willingness to invest in public health."

"We are only as protected as the weakest states."

This would suggest 'decentralise' isn't the answer after all ?

I actually did not hear him say that. I have been regularly trying to keep up with them speaking on COVID 19 and Jay Leno's Garage. Do you have a source?

 

[watisthis]

Red herring.

Dude, you are the red herring. Did you forget how you started this thread? Lmao

 

[Gregs24]

I actually did not hear him say that. I have been regularly trying to keep up with them speaking on COVID 19 and Jay Leno's Garage. Do you have a source?

Not sure who did the original interview with him or what the format was, but reported and quoted by the BBC today

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