I like COVID 19

[Gregs24]

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/lesson3/section3.html

Loads more information here on how to calculate death rates but the one you are trying to get to here is deaths / infected people - The infected people is unknown until you have an antibody test to confirm it because of the potentially large number of asymptomatic cases never mind the mild ones.

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[Caballus]

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/lesson3/section3.html

Loads more information here on how to calculate death rates but the one you are trying to get to here is deaths / infected people - The infected people is unknown until you have an antibody test to confirm it because of the potentially large number of asymptomatic cases never mind the mild ones.

Again, this does nothing for your argument. Dead because of COVID is known.

 

[Gregs24]

Your argument further proves my point. You are arguing that the numbers are inaccurate because of under-testing. The U.S. is more under-tested than the UK. Therefore, with more confirmed positives, the percentage of deaths will increase for the UK and decrease for the U.S. Simple.

Sorry that isn't the case. You firstly cannot assume the results of tests that haven't been done and secondly as I have said many times the PCR test is only detecting the presence of virus not exposure. There will be plenty of people who test negative to the current PCR test that will either have had it or be about to get it. Until the pandemic has run it's course you will not know the true number of people infected - FACT until you know this number you cannot calculate the death rate - FACT Anything you do now is based on estimations with available data which is why WHO are still very cautious about what the true death rate may be and what if any variation there is between countries.

 

[watisthis]

You missed the point entirely.

What is your point then? You stated you do not care and I stated this isn't about just you.

The country needs to be shut down until all disease is gone in the U.S. That doesn't make any sense.

More or less than is exactly what we are doing and is guidance from every health expert. Quarantine is our biggest containment measure. Failure to quarantine causes covid19 to spread faster, kill more, more difficult to control, requires more medical resources; for a far longer period of time. Without an effective treatment and no herd immunity, we can possibly infect the entire population. This will overwhelm our medical infrastructure and skyrocket the facility rate. It doesn't take a genius to piece this all together. Just do as you're directed from medical experts.

Your loved one does not have a lower chance of surviving because of Wu Flu because hospitals have dedicated segments for this.

If she gets infected she most certainly does. Dedicated segments? Do you understand how viruses spread? I can't even go see her in fears of me coming into contact with someone or something and spreading it, nor can almost anyone and with the increasing demands on hospitals. I pray it doesn't happen, but odds are it is only a matter of time till someone or something does. So excuse me, but fuck you.

 

[Gregs24]

Again, this does nothing for your argument. Dead because of COVID is known.

I know - but to calculate a death rate YOU MUST HAVE the number of people infected which you don't because of incomplete testing / wrong test.

 

[Gregs24]

If she gets infected she most certainly does. Dedicated segments? Do you understand how viruses spread? I can't even go see her in fears of me coming into contact with someone or something and spreading it, nor can almost anyone and with the increasing demands on hospitals. I pray it doesn't happen, but odds are it is only a matter of time till someone or something does. So excuse me, but fuck you.

This is a very important point. People will die from other conditions not directly from COVID because healthcare is overwhelmed. There is no country in the world that will be able to run all the normal stuff as well as dealing with COVID. You need to hope you don't get something else nasty for the next few months never mind COVID

 

[Caballus]

Sorry that isn't the case. You firstly cannot assume the results of tests that haven't been done and secondly as I have said many times the PCR test is only detecting the presence of virus not exposure. There will be plenty of people who test negative to the current PCR test that will either have had it or be about to get it. Until the pandemic has run it's course you will not know the true number of people infected - FACT until you know this number you cannot calculate the death rate - FACT Anything you do now is based on estimations with available data which is why WHO are still very cautious about what the true death rate may be and what if any variation there is between countries.

You are deflecting all over the place. Percentage wise, 3 times more Brits known to have COVID have died of it than Americans known to have COVID. Period.

If future data changes that, so be it. But current FACT shows a three-fold difference.

All other variables regarding testing favor the US who is "less tested" than the UK.

Ain't that complicated.

 

[Caballus]

I know - but to calculate a death rate YOU MUST HAVE the number of people infected which you don't because of incomplete testing / wrong test.

We are calculating based on KNOWN infected. You will NEVER know total number; never, ever, ever. So, you can only go by what you know, which is equally accurate in the sense that we are comparing two nations with advanced medical capabilities.

 

[Hadelson]

Wow, so we spend time arguing statistical analysis. Hmm. Paralysis by analysis and this thread is perfect example of that.

Summary:

• Last I remember, the virus does not prejudice on what country we hail from.
• Comparison of two different forms of government are just that and clearly easy to indicate what is different.
• UK and EU? That's the UK's business and if remember correctly done by a vote.
• There are not enough vaccines to test everyone. Medical authorities are making decision on who gets them-Triage.
• Social distancing will in fact reduce the spike in cases thus not completely overwhelming the medical systems.
• People who contract COVID-19 might die, percentage based on health risk factors and level of medical care when infected
• All countries are working on a vaccination .
• This a global problem

 

[Caballus]

Wow, so we spend time arguing statistical analysis. Hmm. Paralysis by analysis and this thread is perfect example of that.

Summary:

• Last I remember, the virus does not prejudice on what country we hail from.
• Comparison of two different forms of government are just that and clearly easy to indicate what is different.
• UK and EU? That's the UK's business and if remember correctly done by a vote.
• There are not enough vaccines to test everyone. Medical authorities are making decision on who gets them-Triage.
• Social distancing will in fact reduce the spike in cases thus not completely overwhelming the medical systems.
• People who contract COVID-19 might die, percentage based on health risk factors and level of medical care when infected
• All countries are working on a vaccination .
• This a global problem

We are not arguing statistics. We are using statistics to determine effectiveness of responses. What do you use? Gut feel?

 

[Shadow277]

The world disagrees with your threat assessment. Moreover, neither the facts nor experience bear it out. While you're amusing yourself with misleading, arrogant phrasing (WuFlu), responsible people are taking responsible actions. Do as you wish, and remain in a state of blissful ignorance as you put other lives at risk.

Yes, Wu Flu is the most dangerous thing in the world right now. Thank goodness I have gubberment telling me how to behave!

 

[Caballus]

Yes, Wu Flu is the most dangerous thing in the world right now. Thank goodness I have gubberment telling me how to behave!

I think you better be careful. According to you, people get dumber as they get older; better make the best of that great wisdom before it's overtaken by experience.

 

[Gregs24]

You are deflecting all over the place. Percentage wise, 3 times more Brits known to have COVID have died of it than Americans known to have COVID. Period.

If future data changes that, so be it. But current FACT shows a three-fold difference.

All other variables regarding testing favor the US who is "less tested" than the UK.

Ain't that complicated.

OK final reply, because you are the one that isn't getting it

Death rate = No. deaths / number of cases

NOBODY has the bottom figure, only estimates based on incomplete data / inadequate testing / no antibody testing. The figures you have quoted are statistically meaningless because of this. If you want to believe something from them then go ahead, but don't use that information to try and prove a point because it doesn't.

Both countries could be in identical positions but with the two different figures you see - this is where error bars are useful because in this case they will be very big and overlapping

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_bar

I'm really not being rude - you do need to understand statistics and data analysis to understand why you are wrong

 

[Shadow277]

Please stop using that term - it is NOT FLU

As previously mentioned, either I believe some rando on the ever so trustful internet, or I listen to a medical professional with over 35 years of practicing medicine.

 

[Hadelson]

We are not arguing statistics. We are using statistics to determine effectiveness of responses. What do you use? Gut feel?

Not biting dude.

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