I like COVID 19

[Caballus]

Mr Trump also repeated his allegations that some US state governors were "hoarding" critical medical equipment, and that items including face masks were being stolen from hospitals. He gave no evidence for either claim.

Sounds disjointed to me if he is correct

Not a great time for a decentralised system, even if it works for other things. Politics and disease control don't mix. COVID19 doesn't understand the concept state borders.

Agree. EU should centralize further as well.

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[Docscurlock]

Mr Trump also repeated his allegations that some US state governors were "hoarding" critical medical equipment, and that items including face masks were being stolen from hospitals. He gave no evidence for either claim.

Sounds disjointed to me if he is correct

Not a great time for a decentralised system, even if it works for other things. Politics and disease control don't mix. COVID19 doesn't understand the concept state borders.

Live free or Die! Our federal government is already too far reaching.

 

[Caballus]

Or maybe @Gregs24 would prefer this approach...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52095500

 

[watisthis]

It's a simple ratio. death/cases. The ratio dictates you have a higher chance of getting Wu Flu than dieing from it. Of course I can get it again. I also have a higher chance of being a work fatality or dieing in an auto accident. It's VERY low. I'm not a boomer, so I don't care.

Someone I care a great deal about is lying in a hospital bed fighting cancer, praying that no one who has been exposed to this virus gets near her room. Meanwhile, people who are both selfish and confident in their own health are ignoring warnings, not practicing preventive hygiene, criticizing sensible precautions as "overreaction", and potentially spreading the virus to everyone they come in contact with. This can and has led to exponential growth in the number of people who contract covid19. Including people who can't fight it as well. Younger and older folks alike.

So yeah, it's not really about whether or not YOU will get sick and die from this it's about everyone else that could. Stop thinking of the me and start thinking of the we. Because nothing is really about you.

 

[Caballus]

Mr Trump also repeated his allegations that some US state governors were "hoarding" critical medical equipment, and that items including face masks were being stolen from hospitals. He gave no evidence for either claim.

Sounds disjointed to me if he is correct

Not a great time for a decentralised system, even if it works for other things. Politics and disease control don't mix. COVID19 doesn't understand the concept state borders.

Actually, did some math. Lessen the subjectivity and base your statement ("Not a great time for a decentralised system, even if it works for other things.") on facts gathered through comparative analysis.

UK COVID Cases: 25,000
UK COVID Deaths: 1800
UK Percentage: 7.2% (of confirmed UK COVID cases have resulted in death)

US COVID Cases: 190,000
US COVID Deaths: 4,000
US Percentage: 2.1% (of confimed US COVID cases have resulted in death)

Appears from above, that to date, decentralization, or what you refer to as disjointed(ness) has proven more effective than a centralized approach.

Now, analyze the results of centraliZation (yes, that's a 'zee' not an 's' or a 'zed'). The U.S. established a decentralized form of government to limit the national government's ability to interfere with the inalienable rights of its citizens (we have no subjects). Decentralization comes at a cost, but the determination was made that the cost outweigh the benefit.

Stepping into a contemporary example, the UK voted to leave the European Union for want of greater autonomy, said otherwise, greater decentraliZation.

Just hard facts.

 

[Hadelson]

Someone I care a great deal about is lying in a hospital bed fighting cancer, praying that no one who has been exposed to this virus gets near her room. Meanwhile, people who are both selfish and confident in their own health are ignoring warnings, not practicing preventive hygiene, criticizing sensible precautions as "overreaction", and potentially spreading the virus to everyone they come in contact with. This can and has led to exponential growth in the number of people who contract covid19. Including people who can't fight it as well. Younger and older folks alike.

So yeah, it's not really about whether or not YOU will get sick and die from this it's about everyone else that could. Stop thinking of the me and start thinking of the we. Because nothing is really about you.

Spot on,

 

[Shadow277]

I think you’re missing the point somewhat.
It’s not about YOU.
It’s about the people you come into contact with during the incubation period.
So, you get re-infected, it takes a few days for you to realise you’re sick.
You’ve now been in contact with a bunch of people whilst infected.
5 of them take it home to someone aged over 70.
Congratulations, you just killed one of them.

That's not how disease works.

 

[Caballus]

That's not how disease works.

Contagious disease does not work through infected individuals coming into contact with uninfected individuals? How then does it work?

 

[Docscurlock]

Or maybe @Gregs24 would prefer this approach...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52095500

That's not how disease works.

It is very much how it works, genius.

 

[Shadow277]

Someone I care a great deal about is lying in a hospital bed fighting cancer, praying that no one who has been exposed to this virus gets near her room. Meanwhile, people who are both selfish and confident in their own health are ignoring warnings, not practicing preventive hygiene, criticizing sensible precautions as "overreaction", and potentially spreading the virus to everyone they come in contact with. This can and has led to exponential growth in the number of people who contract covid19. Including people who can't fight it as well. Younger and older folks alike.

So yeah, it's not really about whether or not YOU will get sick and die from this it's about everyone else that could. Stop thinking of the me and start thinking of the we. Because nothing is really about you.

You missed the point entirely. But for the sake of it, let's follow your logic. The country needs to be shut down until all disease is gone in the U.S. That doesn't make any sense. Your loved one does not have a lower chance of surviving because of Wu Flu because hospitals have dedicated segments for this. If you're not in the U.S., I am unsure what your protocols are.

 

[Shadow277]

It is very much how it works, genius.

Ad hominem.

 

[Docscurlock]

You missed the point entirely. But for the sake of it, let's follow your logic. The country needs to be shut down until all disease is gone in the U.S. That doesn't make any sense. Your loved one does not have a lower chance of surviving because of Wu Flu because hospitals have dedicated segments for this. If you're not in the U.S., I am unsure what your protocols are.

His loved one would have a better chance of survival if he wasn't infected at all.

 

[Shadow277]

Contagious disease does not work through infected individuals coming into contact with uninfected individuals? How then does it work?

Ad hominem.

 

[Caballus]

You missed the point entirely. But for the sake of it, let's follow your logic. The country needs to be shut down until all disease is gone in the U.S. That doesn't make any sense. Your loved one does not have a lower chance of surviving because of Wu Flu because hospitals have dedicated segments for this. If you're not in the U.S., I am unsure what your protocols are.

The nation does not need to be shut down until no one has the disease (which is not a flu). The spread needs to be slowed so 1) hospitals do not continue to get overwhelmed and 2) treatments, preventions and potentially cures can be developed. It is a common sense delaying action; trade space for time and then counterattack. Currently, we do not know enough about the disease to try to go toe to toe with it. That has proven to be a failed approach.

 

[Shadow277]

His loved one would have a better chance of survival if he wasn't infected at all.

He didn't say that.

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