I like COVID 19

[Docscurlock]

You really do have a problem. At no point have I EVER said the death of Americans or anybody is FUNNY or entertaining. Please quote where you think I have.

As for kicking us out - once again reverting to silly historical irrelevant comments that add nothing to the discussion. If you want to start a thread on us tyrannical Brits then do so but this is supposed to be about COVID19

Fortunately, I know a lot of US citizens and your xenophobic, narcissistic views are not what the average US citizen thinks, thank goodness

"I then tune in to Trump for my little bit of light relief and entertainment."
Those are dead Americans he is talking about.

Sponsored

 

[Burkey]

Yeah, doc doesn't get that you can be biased (all media is) and still be factual. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-post/ Or you can be biased and be "borderline questionable based on poor sourcing and the spreading of conspiracy theories that later must be retracted after being widely shared." https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/

Some of us here don't have an agenda and honestly just want to stop the spread of misinformation and ignorance.

I use the exact same website to establish the credibility of my sources. Actually, I used to use a few, but they generally tended to agree with one another. Cut it back to the one over time.

 

[Docscurlock]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52318539

Again a balanced article on the subject

Funny, you spout off about balanced articles then proceed with your own pre conceived opinions about our President who has done a much better job than your own government at containing the spread. Trump Derangement Syndrome runs deep in this world. I can see exactly who gets upset when the "natural order" of things gets upset by electing a true America First President. Go be a globalist stooge if you want. you probably thought Obama, who couldn't string two sentences together without saying Umm 17 times was a genius.

 

[Docscurlock]

Yeah, doc doesn't get that you can be biased (all media is) and still be factual. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-post/ Or you can be biased and be "borderline questionable based on poor sourcing and the spreading of conspiracy theories that later must be retracted after being widely shared." https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/

Some of us here don't have an agenda and honestly just want to stop the spread of misinformation and ignorance.

Oh I get it, kinda like you. Occasionally you have a fact that you use but with your blatant TDS you skew the meaning to be anti Trump whether it stated that way or not. Somehow a global pandemic that was started in China and spread to every country in Europe and North America somehow became Trump's fault. Of course everything good that was going on in this country happened in spite of him. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

 

[watisthis]

Oh I get it, kinda like you. Occasionally you have a fact that you use but with your blatant TDS you skew the meaning to be anti Trump whether it stated that way or not. Somehow a global pandemic that was started in China and spread to every country in Europe and North America somehow became Trump's fault. Of course everything good that was going on in this country happened in spite of him. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

https://thehill.com/changing-americ...0-percent-of-coronavirus-deaths-may-have-been

As proven by - Korea, Iceland, New Zealand, Australia, Germany, Taiwan, Canada, Hong Kong, and Ireland.

Least we do not forget a difference of trillions of dollars too. Trump has basically burned through 8-10 trillion in a SINGLE term, but thanks for that 1200$ 'socialist' check that'll totally get everyone through these tough times while millionaires will receive far more relief than most taxpayers. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-loophole-a9466476.html?utm_source=reddit.com

I'll break down the tax scheme - Say 2015-2019 you made 5 million and paid 1m in taxes (lol big business paying taxes), for a total of 25mil earned and 5mil in tax. You made 20m after tax. Now, in 2020 due to covid19 your business didn't do so well, but lucky for you the GOP introduced a tax loophole allowing you to 'carry back net operating losses for up to 5 years.'

Now let's say your business lost money this tax year. Say 5mil, you could pay 0 in taxes this year, or instead, you could retroactively apply a loss of 1m to each of the previous 5 years. Now in each of the last 5 years, we can pretend you made 4m and only had to pay 750k in taxes. This year you still made 0 because your loss was moved back, so you still pay 0. Now you have saved 1.25mil. Now let's say your business made money this tax year. There are already tax loopholes that allow you to claim losses even if you made money, so not only are you skipping out on this year's taxes, you're also saving that extra 1.25mil.

Also, they suspended the aviation excise tax on passengers, freight and fuel so feel free too take the private jet you were able to down pay with your tax savings anywhere in the world. This will cost the fed 8 billion. https://taxfoundation.org/cares-act-senate-coronavirus-bill-economic-relief-plan/

This is the reason why wealth is consolidating more and more. Small shops cant survive because they are both outcompeted by big companies on economies of scale and taxation. It's fucking disgusting and its a shame. America without small businesses is basically a fiefdom and it is exactly what Republicans are pushing towards.

Edit: It isn't Trump's fault the virus happened, however, it is his fault that he lacked the leadership and ethics to minimize the losses. Do I need to post a timeline of Trump's foolishness and unpreparedness?

 

[Docscurlock]

https://thehill.com/changing-americ...0-percent-of-coronavirus-deaths-may-have-been

As proven by - Korea, Iceland, New Zealand, Australia, Germany, Taiwan, Canada, Hong Kong, and Ireland.

Least we do not forget a difference of trillions of dollars too. Trump has basically burned through 8-10 trillion in a SINGLE term, but thanks for that 1200$ 'socialist' check that'll totally get everyone through these tough times while millionaires will receive far more relief than most taxpayers. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-loophole-a9466476.html?utm_source=reddit.com

I'll break down the tax scheme - Say 2015-2019 you made 5 million and paid 1m in taxes (lol big business paying taxes), for a total of 25mil earned and 5mil in tax. You made 20m after tax. Now, in 2020 due to covid19 your business didn't do so well, but lucky for you the GOP introduced a tax loophole allowing you to 'carry back net operating losses for up to 5 years.'

Now let's say your business lost money this tax year. Say 5mil, you could pay 0 in taxes this year, or instead, you could retroactively apply a loss of 1m to each of the previous 5 years. Now in each of the last 5 years, we can pretend you made 4m and only had to pay 750k in taxes. This year you still made 0 because your loss was moved back, so you still pay 0. Now you have saved 1.25mil. Now let's say your business made money this tax year. There are already tax loopholes that allow you to claim losses even if you made money, so not only are you skipping out on this year's taxes, you're also saving that extra 1.25mil.

Also, they suspended the aviation excise tax on passengers, freight and fuel so feel free too take the private jet you were able to down pay with your tax savings anywhere in the world. This will cost the fed 8 billion. https://taxfoundation.org/cares-act-senate-coronavirus-bill-economic-relief-plan/

This is the reason why wealth is consolidating more and more. Small shops cant survive because they are both outcompeted by big companies on economies of scale and taxation. It's fucking disgusting and its a shame. America without small businesses is basically a fiefdom and it is exactly what Republicans are pushing towards.

Edit: It isn't Trump's fault the virus happened, however, it is his fault that he lacked the leadership and ethics to minimize the losses. Do I need to post a timeline of Trump's foolishness and unpreparedness?

Jan 31 Biden campaigns in Iowa and tells the crowd that Americans “need to have a president who they can trust what he says about it, that he is going to act rationally about it. ... This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”
An article in The New York Times quotes epidemiologist Dr. Michael Osterholm as saying that Trump's decision to restrict travel from China was "more of an emotional or political reaction
Feb 2 Meanwhile, New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot tweets: “As we gear up to celebrate the #LunarNewYear in NYC, I want to assure New Yorkers that there is no reason for anyone to change their holiday plans, avoid the subway, or certain parts of the city because of #coronavirus."
Feb. 7: Barbot strikes again, assuring residents, "We’re telling New Yorkers, go about your lives, take the subway, go out, enjoy life."
Feb. 9: Mark Levine, the chair of New York City Council health committee and a Democrat, tweets: "In powerful show of defiance of #coronavirus scare, huge crowds gathering in NYC's Chinatown for ceremony ahead of annual #LunarNewYear parade. Chants of 'be strong Wuhan!' If you are staying away, you are missing out!"
Feb. 11: Klain, the Biden adviser, remarks that the evidence "suggests" the coronavirus won't be a "serious pandemic."
Feb. 13: "There are ZERO confirmed cases of coronavirus in New York City, and hundreds of Chinese restaurants that need your business!" the New York City mayor's office tweets. "There is nothing to fear. Stop by any Chinatown for lunch or dinner!"
Feb. 24: “It’s exciting to be here, especially at this time, to be able to be unified with our community,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., tells reporters as she visits San Francisco's Chinatown. “We want to be vigilant about what is out there in other places. We want to be careful about how we deal with it, but we do want to say to people ‘Come to Chinatown, here we are — we're, again, careful, safe — and come join us.'”
Feb. 28: At a campaign rally, Trump calls Democrats' criticisms of his coronavirus response "their new hoax." Biden and other Democrats then falsely accused Trump of calling the virus itself a hoax. Several fact-checkers, including The Washington Post, make clear that Trump was referring to the Democrats' response to the virus.
Mar. 2: "Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus, I thought I would offer some suggestions," New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio tweets. "Here’s the first: thru Thurs 3/5 go see 'The Traitor' @FilmLinc. If 'The Wire' was a true story + set in Italy, it would be this film."
Mar. 4: Barbot, the top New York City health official, declares, “There’s no indication that being in a car, being in the subways with someone who’s potentially sick is a risk factor."
Mar. 9: At a Fox News town hall, Bernie Sanders says he would not close the border, even if it were necessary to halt the spread of coronavirus. He then attacked Trump's "xenophobia."
Mar. 11: Trump blocks most travel from continental Europe.
Mar. 17: France imposes a nationwide lockdown. European Union leaders agree to mostly seal off the bloc for 30 days.
Mar. 30: Virginia, Maryland and Washington, D.C. issue stay-at-home orders, joining other states. In all, approximately 265 million Americans are now under indefinite lockdown.

If only we were governed by liberals, none of this would ever happen.

Mar. 23: Britain imposes a nationwide lockdown.

Mar. 24: India imposes a nationwide lockdown.

Meanwhile, Trump declares a national emergency, authorizing $50 billion in federal funds to go to the states.

On CNN, Anderson Cooper and Dr. Sanjay Gupta downplay the virus.

“The flu right now is far deadlier," Cooper says. "So if you’re freaked out at all about the coronavirus you should be more concerned about the flu, and you can actually do something about it, and get a flu shot."

"15,000 people roughly have already died of the flu this season," Gupta responded. "Couple years ago, 60,000 people died of the flu."

 

[Docscurlock]

I'll break down the tax scheme - Say 2015-2019 you made 5 million and paid 1m in taxes (lol big business paying taxes), for a total of 25mil earned and 5mil in tax. You made 20m after tax. Now, in 2020 due to covid19 your business didn't do so well, but lucky for you the GOP introduced a tax loophole allowing you to 'carry back net operating losses for up to 5 years.'

Now let's say your business lost money this tax year. Say 5mil, you could pay 0 in taxes this year, or instead, you could retroactively apply a loss of 1m to each of the previous 5 years. Now in each of the last 5 years, we can pretend you made 4m and only had to pay 750k in taxes. This year you still made 0 because your loss was moved back, so you still pay 0. Now you have saved 1.25mil. Now let's say your business made money this tax year. There are already tax loopholes that allow you to claim losses even if you made money, so not only are you skipping out on this year's taxes, you're also saving that extra 1.25mil.

Also, they suspended the aviation excise tax on passengers, freight and fuel so feel free too take the private jet you were able to down pay with your tax savings anywhere in the world. This will cost the fed 8 billion. https://taxfoundation.org/cares-act-senate-coronavirus-bill-economic-relief-plan/

This is the reason why wealth is consolidating more and more. Small shops cant survive because they are both outcompeted by big companies on economies of scale and taxation. It's fucking disgusting and its a shame. America without small businesses is basically a fiefdom and it is exactly what Republicans are pushing towards.

In response to this, I have a hard enough time keeping track of my own taxes, the only reason we have to pay so much in taxes is because of a big bloated federal government that is easily 80% larger than it has to be. Without the bloated bureaucracy we could afford endless social welfare programs, without being the world's policeman we could afford social welfare programs, without funding the defense of Europe and funding the UN and WHO we could afford social welfare programs, without having to defend against terrorism because we constantly meddle in foreign affairs we could afford social welfare programs. Let's stop funding the WHO and give the money to the CDC. Let's stop supporting Europe and spend the money revamping our inner cities, let's cut the size of the federal government and use that money to buy shoes for poor kids.

 

[watisthis]

Jan 31 Biden campaigns in Iowa and tells the crowd that Americans “need to have a president who they can trust what he says about it, that he is going to act rationally about it. ... This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”
An article in The New York Times quotes epidemiologist Dr. Michael Osterholm as saying that Trump's decision to restrict travel from China was "more of an emotional or political reaction
Feb 2 Meanwhile, New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot tweets: “As we gear up to celebrate the #LunarNewYear in NYC, I want to assure New Yorkers that there is no reason for anyone to change their holiday plans, avoid the subway, or certain parts of the city because of #coronavirus."
Feb. 7: Barbot strikes again, assuring residents, "We’re telling New Yorkers, go about your lives, take the subway, go out, enjoy life."
Feb. 9: Mark Levine, the chair of New York City Council health committee and a Democrat, tweets: "In powerful show of defiance of #coronavirus scare, huge crowds gathering in NYC's Chinatown for ceremony ahead of annual #LunarNewYear parade. Chants of 'be strong Wuhan!' If you are staying away, you are missing out!"
Feb. 11: Klain, the Biden adviser, remarks that the evidence "suggests" the coronavirus won't be a "serious pandemic."
Feb. 13: "There are ZERO confirmed cases of coronavirus in New York City, and hundreds of Chinese restaurants that need your business!" the New York City mayor's office tweets. "There is nothing to fear. Stop by any Chinatown for lunch or dinner!"
Feb. 24: “It’s exciting to be here, especially at this time, to be able to be unified with our community,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., tells reporters as she visits San Francisco's Chinatown. “We want to be vigilant about what is out there in other places. We want to be careful about how we deal with it, but we do want to say to people ‘Come to Chinatown, here we are — we're, again, careful, safe — and come join us.'”
Feb. 28: At a campaign rally, Trump calls Democrats' criticisms of his coronavirus response "their new hoax." Biden and other Democrats then falsely accused Trump of calling the virus itself a hoax. Several fact-checkers, including The Washington Post, make clear that Trump was referring to the Democrats' response to the virus.
Mar. 2: "Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus, I thought I would offer some suggestions," New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio tweets. "Here’s the first: thru Thurs 3/5 go see 'The Traitor' @FilmLinc. If 'The Wire' was a true story + set in Italy, it would be this film."
Mar. 4: Barbot, the top New York City health official, declares, “There’s no indication that being in a car, being in the subways with someone who’s potentially sick is a risk factor."
Mar. 9: At a Fox News town hall, Bernie Sanders says he would not close the border, even if it were necessary to halt the spread of coronavirus. He then attacked Trump's "xenophobia."
Mar. 11: Trump blocks most travel from continental Europe.
Mar. 17: France imposes a nationwide lockdown. European Union leaders agree to mostly seal off the bloc for 30 days.
Mar. 30: Virginia, Maryland and Washington, D.C. issue stay-at-home orders, joining other states. In all, approximately 265 million Americans are now under indefinite lockdown.

If only we were governed by liberals, none of this would ever happen.

Mar. 23: Britain imposes a nationwide lockdown.

Mar. 24: India imposes a nationwide lockdown.

Meanwhile, Trump declares a national emergency, authorizing $50 billion in federal funds to go to the states.

On CNN, Anderson Cooper and Dr. Sanjay Gupta downplay the virus.

“The flu right now is far deadlier," Cooper says. "So if you’re freaked out at all about the coronavirus you should be more concerned about the flu, and you can actually do something about it, and get a flu shot."

"15,000 people roughly have already died of the flu this season," Gupta responded. "Couple years ago, 60,000 people died of the flu."

First, I see you didn't bother to acknowledge anything I said. Second, Biden is not the president and I would be doing the same criticism had he done just as a terrible of a job.

Lastly and most important - Quote from a redditor who was kind enough to aggerate everything

"Dec 18 - House Impeaches Trump

Jan 8 - First CDC warning on Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Jan 9 - Trump campaign rally

Jan 14 - Trump campaign rally

Jan 16 - House sends impeachment articles to Senate

Jan 18 - Trump golfs

Jan 19 - Trump golfs

Jan 20 - first case of COVID-19 in the US, Washington State.

Jan 22 - “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

Jan 28 - Trump campaign rally

Jan 30 - Trump campaign rally

Jan 30 - WHO declares Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC).

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/924596

Jan 31 - Trump announces China travel restrictions.

Feb 1 - Trump golfs

Feb 2 - Starts China travel restrictions

Feb 2 - “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."

Feb 5 - Senate votes to acquit. Then takes a five-day weekend.

Feb 5 - HHS Secretary Azar requested $2 billion to buy respirator masks & other supplies for the national stockpile. Trump cut request by 75%

Feb 10 - Trump campaign rally

Feb 11 - At a rally, Trump says the virus will 'miraculously go away' with warmer weather. Meanwhile, the white house releases fiscal budget plan which proposes large budget cuts to the CDC and NIH

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/925130 Feb 12 - Dow Jones closes at an all time high of 29,551.42

Feb 15 - Trump golfs

Feb 19 - Trump campaign rally

Feb 20 - Trump campaign rally

Feb 21 - Trump campaign rally

Feb 24 - “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Feb 25 - “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

Feb 25 - “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

Feb 26 - “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

Feb 26 - “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

Feb 26 - "This is a flu. This is like a flu"; "Now, you treat this like a flu"; "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner."

Feb 27 - “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Feb 28 - “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

Feb 28 - "The press is in Hysteria mode!" Over covid19

Feb 28 - Trump campaign rally

Feb 29 - First COVID-19 death in US

Mar 2 - “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

Mar 2 - “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

Mar 4 - “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

Mar 5 - “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

Mar 5 - “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

Mar 6 - “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

Mar 6 - “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

Mar 6 - “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

Mar 6 - “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

Mar 6 -"It came out of China... we closed it down, we stopped it."

Mar 7 - Trump golfs

Mar 8 - Trump golfs

Mar 8 - “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

Mar 9 - "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.”

Mar 9 - “This blindsided the world.”

Mar 9 - "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-democrats-working-to-inflame-the-coronavirus

Apr 13 - "The media minimized the risk from the start."

Mar 10 - "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."

Mar10 - Trump Addresses the Nation - closes travel to 26 countries in Europe, exempting those that contain Trump Resorts.

Mar 11 - Trump corrects multiple major misstatements in his national address.

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/12/of...-by-trump-during-bungled-coronavirus-address/

Mar 12 - Finally ordered N95masks

Mar 13 - [Declared state of emergency]

Mar 13 - " I dont take responsibility at all."

Mar 14 - Young Asian-American family of 4 stabbed in TX Sam's Club by man who thinks they're responsible for COVID.

Mar 15 - "It's a very contagious virus. It's incredible. But it's something we have tremendous control of."

Mar 15 - 3,613 COVID-19 cases, 69 deaths

Mar 17 - “This is a pandemic,” Mr. Trump told reporters. “I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

Mar 18 - "It’s not racist at all. No. Not at all. It comes from China. That’s why. It comes from China. I want to be accurate."

Mar 19 - "And we’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately, and that’s where the FDA has been so great. They — they’ve gone through the approval process. It’s been approved."

Mar 19 - FDA "Chrloroquine has not been approved for use against COVID-19."

Mar 20 - Trump says he is going to enact the Defense Production Act

Mar 23 - Dow Jones closes at 18,591.93

Mar 23 - "You look at automobile accidents, which are far greater than any numbers we're talking about. That doesn't mean we're going to tell everybody no more driving of cars. So we have to do things to get our country open."

Mar 25 - 3.3 million Americans file for unemployment.

Mar 26 - “You call it a germ, you can call it a flu, you can call it a virus. You know, you can call it many different names. I'm not sure anybody even knows what it is...”

Mar 27 - Activates Defense Production Act

Mar 30 - Dow Jones closes at 21,917.16

Apr 1 - "Did you know I was number one on Facebook?"

Apr 2 - 6.6 million Americans file for unemployment.

Apr 3 - 270,062 COVID-19 cases, 6,927 deaths.

Apr 4 - “Maybe we could allow special, for churches, maybe we could talk about it. Maybe we could allow them, with great separation outside, on Easter Sunday. I don’t know, it's something we should talk about,” he said.

“We have to get this country open. This country was not designed to be closed...we're paying people to stay home...and they want to go to work.”

Apr 5 - More then 9000 deaths in US from Covid-19. More than active service members killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

Apr 6 - "I answered this 15 times. You don't have to answer." -- Trump prevents Dr Fauci from answering a question about hydroxychloroquine

Apr 7 - Trump threatens to pull funding from WHO

The whole Hannity interview. Just a couple snippets. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/donald-trump-sean-hannity-coronavirus/index.html

Apr 10 - Trump administration announces employers dont have to report corona virus cases unless you are in the health care industry. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...rump-tells-corporations-they-dont-have-record

“This is a very brilliant enemy. You know, it’s a brilliant enemy. They develop drugs like the antibiotics. You see it. Antibiotics used to solve every problem. Now one of the biggest problems the world has is the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can’t keep up with it."

He added: “We’re fighting – not only is it hidden, but it’s very smart. Okay? It’s invisible and it’s hidden, but it’s – it’s very smart.”

Apr 11 - Trump asked White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Anthony Fauci, “Why don’t we let this wash over the country?”

Apr 13 - Trump claims absolute authority over states governors

Apr 13 - "The media minimized the risk from the start."

Apr 14 - Trump announces USA will stop funding WHO

Claims mail in voting us fraudulent after voting by mail

Tests still not available for most people."

Edit: Yeah, I'm not over here defending CNN either. If you want to link their crap just as much as you link Fox's I'll bash both. Obviously, I'm going to bash Fox more when that is 90% of what you link.

 

[watisthis]

In response to this, I have a hard enough time keeping track of my own taxes, the only reason we have to pay so much in taxes is because of a big bloated federal government that is easily 80% larger than it has to be. Without the bloated bureaucracy we could afford endless social welfare programs, without being the world's policeman we could afford social welfare programs, without funding the defense of Europe and funding the UN and WHO we could afford social welfare programs, without having to defend against terrorism because we constantly meddle in foreign affairs we could afford social welfare programs. Let's stop funding the WHO and give the money to the CDC. Let's stop supporting Europe and spend the money revamping our inner cities, let's cut the size of the federal government and use that money to buy shoes for poor kids.

I agree with some of your statements here and you have the right idea. However, if we ran our gov't on a long term economic plan rather than short term payoffs and closed loopholes/taxed correctly, we could easily have a lot of nice things. It's too bad people can't see the big picture and only want instant gratification.

 

[Docscurlock]

Mar 14 - Young Asian-American family of 4 stabbed in TX Sam's Club by man who thinks they're responsible for COVID.

I am pretty sure Trump did this personally.
And I did respond to your other views, just in a different post.

 

[Docscurlock]

I agree with some of your statements here and you have the right idea. However, if we ran our gov't on a long term economic plan rather than short term payoffs and closed loopholes/taxed correctly, we could easily have a lot of nice things. It's too bad people can't see the big picture and only want instant gratification.

It's not a tax collection problem, it is a spending problem. Although, the economy has been rock solid since the federal reserve and taxing income started in 1913.

 

[rick81721]

First, I see you didn't bother to acknowledge anything I said. Second, Biden is not the president and I would be doing the same criticism had he done just as a terrible of a job.

Lastly and most important - Quote from a redditor who was kind enough to aggerate everything

"Dec 18 - House Impeaches Trump

Jan 8 - First CDC warning on Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Jan 9 - Trump campaign rally

Jan 14 - Trump campaign rally

Jan 16 - House sends impeachment articles to Senate

Jan 18 - Trump golfs

Jan 19 - Trump golfs

Jan 20 - first case of COVID-19 in the US, Washington State.

Jan 22 - “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

Jan 28 - Trump campaign rally

Jan 30 - Trump campaign rally

Jan 30 - WHO declares Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC).

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/924596

Jan 31 - Trump announces China travel restrictions.

Feb 1 - Trump golfs

Feb 2 - Starts China travel restrictions

Feb 2 - “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."

Feb 5 - Senate votes to acquit. Then takes a five-day weekend.

Feb 5 - HHS Secretary Azar requested $2 billion to buy respirator masks & other supplies for the national stockpile. Trump cut request by 75%

Feb 10 - Trump campaign rally

Feb 11 - At a rally, Trump says the virus will 'miraculously go away' with warmer weather. Meanwhile, the white house releases fiscal budget plan which proposes large budget cuts to the CDC and NIH

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/925130 Feb 12 - Dow Jones closes at an all time high of 29,551.42

Feb 15 - Trump golfs

Feb 19 - Trump campaign rally

Feb 20 - Trump campaign rally

Feb 21 - Trump campaign rally

Feb 24 - “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Feb 25 - “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

Feb 25 - “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

Feb 26 - “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

Feb 26 - “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

Feb 26 - "This is a flu. This is like a flu"; "Now, you treat this like a flu"; "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner."

Feb 27 - “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Feb 28 - “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

Feb 28 - "The press is in Hysteria mode!" Over covid19

Feb 28 - Trump campaign rally

Feb 29 - First COVID-19 death in US

Mar 2 - “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

Mar 2 - “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

Mar 4 - “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

Mar 5 - “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

Mar 5 - “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

Mar 6 - “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

Mar 6 - “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

Mar 6 - “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

Mar 6 - “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

Mar 6 -"It came out of China... we closed it down, we stopped it."

Mar 7 - Trump golfs

Mar 8 - Trump golfs

Mar 8 - “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

Mar 9 - "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.”

Mar 9 - “This blindsided the world.”

Mar 9 - "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-democrats-working-to-inflame-the-coronavirus

Apr 13 - "The media minimized the risk from the start."

Mar 10 - "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."

Mar10 - Trump Addresses the Nation - closes travel to 26 countries in Europe, exempting those that contain Trump Resorts.

Mar 11 - Trump corrects multiple major misstatements in his national address.

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/12/of...-by-trump-during-bungled-coronavirus-address/

Mar 12 - Finally ordered N95masks

Mar 13 - [Declared state of emergency]

Mar 13 - " I dont take responsibility at all."

Mar 14 - Young Asian-American family of 4 stabbed in TX Sam's Club by man who thinks they're responsible for COVID.

Mar 15 - "It's a very contagious virus. It's incredible. But it's something we have tremendous control of."

Mar 15 - 3,613 COVID-19 cases, 69 deaths

Mar 17 - “This is a pandemic,” Mr. Trump told reporters. “I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

Mar 18 - "It’s not racist at all. No. Not at all. It comes from China. That’s why. It comes from China. I want to be accurate."

Mar 19 - "And we’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately, and that’s where the FDA has been so great. They — they’ve gone through the approval process. It’s been approved."

Mar 19 - FDA "Chrloroquine has not been approved for use against COVID-19."

Mar 20 - Trump says he is going to enact the Defense Production Act

Mar 23 - Dow Jones closes at 18,591.93

Mar 23 - "You look at automobile accidents, which are far greater than any numbers we're talking about. That doesn't mean we're going to tell everybody no more driving of cars. So we have to do things to get our country open."

Mar 25 - 3.3 million Americans file for unemployment.

Mar 26 - “You call it a germ, you can call it a flu, you can call it a virus. You know, you can call it many different names. I'm not sure anybody even knows what it is...”

Mar 27 - Activates Defense Production Act

Mar 30 - Dow Jones closes at 21,917.16

Apr 1 - "Did you know I was number one on Facebook?"

Apr 2 - 6.6 million Americans file for unemployment.

Apr 3 - 270,062 COVID-19 cases, 6,927 deaths.

Apr 4 - “Maybe we could allow special, for churches, maybe we could talk about it. Maybe we could allow them, with great separation outside, on Easter Sunday. I don’t know, it's something we should talk about,” he said.

“We have to get this country open. This country was not designed to be closed...we're paying people to stay home...and they want to go to work.”

Apr 5 - More then 9000 deaths in US from Covid-19. More than active service members killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

Apr 6 - "I answered this 15 times. You don't have to answer." -- Trump prevents Dr Fauci from answering a question about hydroxychloroquine

Apr 7 - Trump threatens to pull funding from WHO

The whole Hannity interview. Just a couple snippets. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/donald-trump-sean-hannity-coronavirus/index.html

Apr 10 - Trump administration announces employers dont have to report corona virus cases unless you are in the health care industry. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...rump-tells-corporations-they-dont-have-record

“This is a very brilliant enemy. You know, it’s a brilliant enemy. They develop drugs like the antibiotics. You see it. Antibiotics used to solve every problem. Now one of the biggest problems the world has is the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can’t keep up with it."

He added: “We’re fighting – not only is it hidden, but it’s very smart. Okay? It’s invisible and it’s hidden, but it’s – it’s very smart.”

Apr 11 - Trump asked White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Anthony Fauci, “Why don’t we let this wash over the country?”

Apr 13 - Trump claims absolute authority over states governors

Apr 13 - "The media minimized the risk from the start."

Apr 14 - Trump announces USA will stop funding WHO

Claims mail in voting us fraudulent after voting by mail

Tests still not available for most people."

Edit: Yeah, I'm not over here defending CNN either. If you want to link their crap just as much as you link Fox's I'll bash both. Obviously, I'm going to bash Fox more when that is 90% of what you link.

Pointless list. This is the most important one:

Feb 2 - Starts China travel restrictions

Trump was roundly criticized for this and likely if not implemented (as per democrat/Biden outcry) we would have multiples of cases and deaths right now.

The President has no power to shut down or re-open states. This is pretty simple - the covid-19 pandemic in the US is a tale of two states: NY and NJ and everywhere else. As of right now, 44% of all US cases and 57% of all US deaths are in NY and NJ. The percentage of cases has held steady for a month. The percentage of deaths has grown over the last month from 42% to 57% today. Bottom line - NY and NJ blew it and waited at least a week too long to shut everything down. The rest of the country is handling this very well - hospitals never got close to being overwhelmed. So reminds us again who are the governors of these states?

 

[watisthis]

Pointless list. This is the most important one:

Yeah, totally pointless to showcase his apparent lack of expertise and leadership. Remind me again how it is pointless to document extremely disgusting and shameful behavior from a sitting president who constantly downplayed the threat, called a health expert 'alarmist' for bringing up the seriousness of it, and has done less than almost every other developed nation to federal enforce guidelines on reducing the spread.

Feb 2 - Starts China travel restrictions

Trump was roundly criticized for this and likely if not implemented (as per democrat/Biden outcry) we would have multiples of cases and deaths right now.

There was no ban of Americans coming back from China, this did, in fact, lead to a larger spread. The reason it is on the list is because it did nothing to stop the spread.

So reminds us again who are the governors of these states?

Do you really think that if the President were to have taken the lead and asked for what other nations and even some American states had been doing that the governors wouldn't have listened? Are you seriously using the strawman argument 'oh, well what can he do he's only the president who said he has complete authority?'

I really can't understand how people defend his actions. I get that you like the dude, nothing wrong with that, but he fucked up and the evidence is LITERALLY everywhere.

 

[rick81721]

Yeah, totally pointless to showcase his apparent lack of expertise and leadership. Remind me again how it is pointless to document extremely disgusting and shameful behavior from a sitting president who constantly downplayed the threat, called a health expert 'alarmist' for bringing up the seriousness of it, and has done less than almost every other developed nation to federal enforce guidelines on reducing the spread.



There was no ban of Americans coming back from China, this did, in fact, lead to a larger spread. The reason it is on the list is because it did nothing to stop the spread.



Do you really think that if the President were to have taken the lead and asked for what other nations and even some American states had been doing that the governors wouldn't have listened? Are you seriously using the strawman argument 'oh, well what can he do he's only the president who said he has complete authority?'

I really can't understand how people defend his actions. I get that you like the dude, nothing wrong with that, but he fucked up and the evidence is LITERALLY everywhere.

Factually incorrect opinion and flat out nonsense. Dr Fauci made it clear the China shutdown made a huge difference. Trump haters believe whatever fits their narrative. You ignore the actions of TWO governors because you can't defend them. They saw what was going on in CA and WA - and NYC being the most densely populated city in the US should have been the first to shutdown.

 

[watisthis]

Factually incorrect opinion and flat out nonsense. Dr Fauci made it clear the China shutdown made a huge difference. Trump haters believe whatever fits their narrative. You ignore the actions of TWO governors because you can't defend them. They saw what was going on in CA and WA - and NYC being the most densely populated city in the US should have been the first to shutdown.

Nothing was the wrong word. It did help, however, it did not do as much as a total ban from China would have. Not that a travel ban even stops the spread of a virus it only slows it. Which yes would have been great had we even been prepared for this in the first place rather than downplaying it for months.

Trump haters believe whatever fits their narrative.

The narrative you mean his quotes and statements?

You ignore the actions of TWO governors because you can't defend them. They saw what was going on in CA and WA - and NYC being the most densely populated city in the US should have been the first to shutdown.

NY state has tested more people than CA, Texas, Florida, PA, and Illinois COMBINED. Those 5 states make up over 100 million people, NY 20mil. So yeah, of course, NY is going to have a bigger problem. Can you get off the Trump train and learn to do a little research?

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