I drove my first EV

[526 HRSE]

I can't believe there are people arguing in favor of battery powered cars. My advice to you is to, go to your wife's nightstand, open the jar, re-attach.

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[sk47]

And on forums such as this, people seem to really dislike the idea of a EV family sedan rolling off the showroom floor running mid 9s and hurting their muscle car feelings.

Hello; afraid I do not see it this way. A jet car can out run most any ICE seven days a week. An EV is a very different beast than an ICE. A peculiar trait of an electric motor gives them nearly instant torque. That is about it in terms of superior features. The current EV's are disguised to resemble real vehicles for some reason, but they are not.
For my nickel make an EV vehicle I can buy cheap that will make runs to town about seven miles away at highway speeds or to some other close by place. Maybe without an frills other than a heater and a few basics. But have it be so cheap I can see if i like the concepts.

They went the other way and made the first EV's high end and expensive. Made sense as their target customer was someone with plenty of coin and can afford to have an expensive second, third or fourth vehicle.

 

[526 HRSE]

Hello; afraid I do not see it this way. A jet car can out run most any ICE seven days a week. An EV is a very different beast than an ICE. A peculiar trait of an electric motor gives them nearly instant torque. That is about it in terms of superior features. The current EV's are disguised to resemble real vehicles for some reason, but they are not.
For my nickel make an EV vehicle I can buy cheap that will make runs to town about seven miles away at highway speeds or to some other close by place. Maybe without an frills other than a heater and a few basics. But have it be so cheap I can see if i like the concepts.

They went the other way and made the first EV's high end and expensive. Made sense as their target customer was someone with plenty of coin and can afford to have an expensive second, third or fourth vehicle.

ICE engines will outrun battery powered cars as well. I'm not sure we'll see a day when a battery car runs the 1/4 in 3.2 seconds at 340mph!

 

[526 HRSE]

This thread just made me buy this.

 

[K4fxd]

ICE engines will outrun battery powered cars as well. I'm not sure we'll see a day when a battery car runs the 1/4 in 3.2 seconds at 340mph!

Don Garlits brought an electric dragster to a national event and NHRA told him to pack his shit and go home. I forget the year, call his museum.

 

[K4fxd]

They went the other way and made the first EV's high end and expensive.

That was what Musk wanted. A fun expensive exclusive roadster. Then the political s and green fanatics took over

 

[sk47]

New Jersey Cybertruck owner flips his at a $207K loss 3 months after buying

Hello; Other than being a real-world experience I cannot make a great deal out of this. While i do expect depreciation to be high on used EV's I do not have the numbers. This may be an extreme example.
I recall back in 1993 when I paid around $2,000 for a desktop computer. Forget the exact capacity but can say it was only a fraction of what we can now buy for a few hundred dollars. On top of that it soon became obsolete several times over. Mentioned in the link that soon after this guy plunked down his cash the price of these trucks was lowered.
Do I know that all current EV owners are destined to lose money? No, I do not have a crystal ball. I have two ICE vehicles bought new many years ago. One is a 2001 year and the other is a 2000 2004 year model. I long ago got my money's worth out of the vehicles in terms of having transportation. I may be very mistaken but just do not think any current EV will have value 20 years from now. If i live long enough I will find out.

 

[ZeroTX]

Hello; Well, I watched the supplied video. Not quite so clear cut. First was when they dumped the Ford hoses out of a cardboard box. Next was when they put a 12 volt battery in the ford pile along with a battery box and some other parts, then stated the battery and associated parts had nothing to do with the comparison. I guess adding these extra parts was to enhance the difference visually.
They even threw a radiator/condenser part on the Ford table but failed to show the equivalent Tesla parts. It was stated the Tesla used a heat pump system early on in the video so logically a radiator/condenser type part will be needed but was not shown.
Last thing of note was the Tesla unit was shown assembled as a unit. While the Ford was shown as spread out parts. Not exactly a fair comparison method.

That said the Tesla may indeed be a better design even without the bias of the video. I personally do not have an opinion as i have not worked on either type vehicle. My more sincere hope is the intricate nature of a Ford EV & Tesla EV will be more of an academic study rather than something i will need to know when considering a vehicle purchase.

Since you are one of the few who post on this site who owns an EV I do hope you keep us informed about personal real world experiences.

Good catches, and the Tesla "Supermanifold" thermal management is fantastic, BUT yes it uses radiators and FLUID... Multiple kinds of fluid at that. You'll never hear a Tesla fanboy talk about the fact that their EVs still have radiators, fluid, hoses, and normal "legacy" car things that don't go away by going EV. It's a lot more complex than a golf cart.... and the grill-free front ends are a gimmick. The car absolutely has radiators and they're having to feed less efficiently from underneath due to the aesthetics.... which is weird, because Teslas are F***ing ugly..... so not sure why they're protecting that aspect.

 

[LOL WUT]

New Jersey Cybertruck owner flips his at a $207K loss 3 months after buying

Hello; Other than being a real-world experience I cannot make a great deal out of this. While i do expect depreciation to be high on used EV's I do not have the numbers. This may be an extreme example.
I recall back in 1993 when I paid around $2,000 for a desktop computer. Forget the exact capacity but can say it was only a fraction of what we can now buy for a few hundred dollars. On top of that it soon became obsolete several times over. Mentioned in the link that soon after this guy plunked down his cash the price of these trucks was lowered.
Do I know that all current EV owners are destined to lose money? No, I do not have a crystal ball. I have two ICE vehicles bought new many years ago. One is a 2001 year and the other is a 2000 year model. I long ago got my money's worth out of the vehicles in terms of having transportation. I may be very mistaken but just do not think any current EV will have value 20 years from now. If i live long enough I will find out.

This is purely an example of someone with more money than brains thinking they needed the newest thing on the market. You can order a brand new cyber truck for well under 100k. But if you think you need it right this second then you over pay (supply and demand).

Now, for those who paid MSRP for a new Tesla a few years ago, they absolutely lost their asses on them when Tesla drastically cut their pricing. Perhaps the market has normalized now and drastic price cuts are done; perhaps it hasn’t and people will perpetually lose their asses.

 

[ZeroTX]

That was what Musk wanted. A fun expensive exclusive roadster. Then the political s and green fanatics took over

I'm sorry, but the original roadster was a modified electrified Lotus. I don't recall it even being that crazy expensive. What's stupid is buying an S "Plaid" and thinking you have a luxury car. Heh.

 

[K4fxd]

I'm sorry, but the original roadster was a modified electrified Lotus.

It was in demand by rich people who wanted a status symbol, toy.

I didn't care about it because I looked at it as a gimmick but I stand by my comment. Look what Elon built, expensive toys for the look at me crowd. I mean why else would anyone buy a cyber truck? Hey hey look at me......

 

[sk47]

Ford cuts 800 jobs amid fears of ‘irreversible damage’ from electric car rules

Hello; Thoughts???

 

[K4fxd]

I only read half of it but it is obvious to anyone who has run a business, if you sell or forced to sell items that no one wants and to sell them at all you need to take a loss on each unit, you will eventually go out of business unless a secondary force hands you money.

China will win this war because the very large population will pay the difference through tax so the Chinese cars will be cheap and plentiful. The people who work assembling cars and trucks in the UK will be looking for work at Walmart, or standing in bread lines.

Meanwhile people will starve in Europe, China will keep polluting and the Planet will continue to warm or cool, depending on where in the cycle we currently are.

 

[sk47]

f you sell or forced to sell items that no one wants and to sell them at all you need to take a loss on each unit, you will eventually go out of business

Hello; Pretty much my take. A looming question exists. Driving toward a cliff edge. How close to the cliff edge can this agenda be pushed until it gets to the point of being too late to apply the brakes?

 

[K4fxd]

How close to the cliff edge can this agenda be pushed until it gets to the point of being too late to apply the brakes?

IDK about Europe but I think we dodged the bullet here in the States.

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