I drove my first EV

[HoosierDaddy]

Definitely gonna buy one when the 0-60s drop a few tenths into the naughts.

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[sk47]

I've been studying EV safety, looking for data which would highlight how many EVs have been involved in vehicle fires and deaths. I've also sought and found several reports, tests and studies involving damaged EVs.

Hello; Wow. Someone has made a post longer than mine generally average. I do understand and appreciate the effort you put into this. Good job of gathering data.
One issue you explained well is getting good data which can be used to make fair comparisons. In science the problem can be of what I know of as significant numbers. You find it nearly impossible to find overall data as fire incidences are randomly kept track of. In a science endeavor the quality of the outcome depends on the level of the best units of measure used. A basic example is if a team is sent out to measure and event. One team member uses millimeters (mm). Another uses centimeters (cm). Another uses meters (m). When the results are tallied the accuracy of the event is at best only to + or - one meter.(m). The effort of the team member using mm is essentially wasted.
Another prime example is when one team used the metric system, and another uses SAE measures. Reference the Hubble space telescope.

So, while I do not dispute your summary that EV's are not something you worry about having around.

While I wouldn't be concerned owning or being near an EV where I live, anyone in a flood plain, near a river or costal area should be.

I do not find the information compelling enough to be considered definitive. You present lots of good data, but it is hard to piece together in the form of an overall picture.

Perhaps a review of insurance companies requirements could tie the data together. One serious issue is omitted in the post. That being the intensity of EV fires and the difficulty of getting them under control. This will be a crude and perhaps unfair comparison, but in terms of controlling a fire I think of an ICE fire as a firecracker and an EV fire as sticks of dynamite.

I am under no illusions about gasoline fires. When a young boy three of us aged 11 went to a Tarzan movie. We decided to make torches like in the movie. We wrapped rags on the end of sticks and poured motor oil on the rags. Could not get them to burn well. We were at a friend's house. He went into a garage and poured some gasoline on his torch. Burned really well. I never got a chance to try being third in line. The second boy grabbed the can of gas and poured it on his torch. Unfortunately, his rag was burning just enough. The can exploded in flames. I watched him run with fire on him. Got a little lucky as the one boy's mother was home doing dishes and wrapped a wet towel over his head putting the fire out. He was still badly burned. An image still vivid for me 66 years later. My take is not supportable by data perhaps, but I fear EV fires more than gas fires.

 

[sk47]

High-mileage electric car usage is working out almost twice as expensive as petrol
Hello; Those of us who have ben following the EV vs. ICE discussions will find little new in the link. The story is written in an entertaining manner. A new bit for me was the part of the story where an older woman tapped on the authors window to inform him he was not charging at a rate good enough to suit her. Karens on patrol I suppose. Maybe call her a charger station Karen.

 

[SteelJones]

High-mileage electric car usage is working out almost twice as expensive as petrol
Hello; Those of us who have ben following the EV vs. ICE discussions will find little new in the link. The story is written in an entertaining manner. A new bit for me was the part of the story where an older woman tapped on the authors window to inform him he was not charging at a rate good enough to suit her. Karens on patrol I suppose. Maybe call her a charger station Karen.

Interesting read. Thanks for sharing.

 

[sk47]

Major car brand makes bombshell EV U-turn and vows to stick with petrol engines

Hello; reality is setting in. One line hit home. That they will be making ICE as long as they can legally.

 

[kz]

Summary of the thread : OP drove his first EV : "It was pretty good, i loved the accelleration", boomers "TF you did, no way, not possible and btw - EVs suck and here's bazilion unrelated articles about it"
OP........ (long gone).

 

[LOL WUT]

Summary of the thread : OP drove his first EV : "It was pretty good, i loved the accelleration", boomers "TF you did, no way, not possible and btw - EVs suck and here's bazilion unrelated articles about it"
OP........ (long gone).

Solid summary. 10/10

 

[sk47]

boomers "TF you did, no way, not possible and btw - EVs suck and here's bazilion unrelated articles about it"
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Hello; A bazillion huh? I and others get some are enthralled with the nearly instant torque possible from an electric motor which translates into quick acceleration. Being a stoplight warrior is and has been important to some ICE drivers. So if that is the main criteria for having a vehicle then by all means own one. I and most others who pan EV's agree you should be able to buy what you want. I do not want to be forced to do so because of mandates against ICE and ploys which raise the cost of ICE fuel. This is, for me, the number one reason EV's suck to use your term. So, i will guess some of the bazillion posts you do not like are about very applicable topics such as climate change and associated climate change agendas. True enough EV's could have been a stand alone alternative propulsion system for vehicles but such is not the case. EV's are become a cog on a gear along with many other agenda items. EV's cannot be separated from all the other any more.
But EV's do suck all on their own in many areas. Range anxiety, cost, environmental impact to mention a few. I expect the temperatures to be well below freezing the next few nights and cold during the days. I wonder how many folks took long road trips to grandmas house in an EV this weekend? Did you?

 

[kz]

This is truly the case for a specialist (which I've said long time ago elsewhere). If it's even curable.

(yes, I did, it's parked next to my RAM truck and Mustang with big ass wing running E-85).

 

[LOL WUT]

This is truly the case for a specialist (which I've said long time ago elsewhere). If it's even curable.

(yes, I did, it's parked next to my RAM truck and Mustang with big ass wing running E-85).

You won’t win, more online articles will come your way shortly about EVs being stranded. You know, because no one ever runs out of gas either. Idiots who cant keep their cars fueled/charged on both sides of the fence, but it only applies to EV owners here. Oh no it’s cold out, can’t drive my EV….. .

Actually, on second thought, according to this thread EVs should be ideal for extreme cold climates because apparently they all start on fire keeping everyone toasty warm for days on end!

Most of what’s being touted in this thread is from people who’ve never spent 1 minute behind the wheel of an EV. It’s all what they read online being regurgitated.

 

[K4fxd]

You won’t win, more online articles will come your way shortly about EVs being stranded. You know, because no one ever runs out of gas either.

If I'm stupid enough to run out of gas all I need do is call someone to bring me a gallon of gas. I'm up and running.

I don't know how to bring you a gallon of electrons on the side of the road.

Actually, on second thought, according to this thread EVs should be ideal for extreme cold climates because apparently they all start on fire keeping everyone toasty warm for days on end!

I wouldn't roast any marshmallows over one.

Most of what’s being touted in this thread is from people who’ve never spent 1 minute behind the wheel of an EV.

I was unfortunate enough to get one from a rental center. I have never been so miserable in my life. Looking for places to charge. It was about as fun as my golf cart with added voltage and an upgraded controller.

I'll stick to gas unless I have a fast home charger, and then the car would be for local commutes only.

 

[LOL WUT]

If I'm stupid enough to run out of gas all I need do is call someone to bring me a gallon of gas. I'm up and running.

I don't know how to bring you a gallon of electrons on the side of the road.

I wouldn't roast any marshmallows over one.


I was unfortunate enough to get one from a rental center. I have never been so miserable in my life. Looking for places to charge. It was about as fun as my golf cart with added voltage and an upgraded controller.

I'll stick to gas unless I have a fast home charger, and then the car would be for local commutes only.

All correct. You need to be stupid to run out of gas or charge. If you’re dumb enough to run out of either you might be dumb enough to roast marshmallows over it though. And you got (or were given) a EV rental with 0 pre-planning of how charging would work out, I could imagine that absolutely sucked as a first time evolution.

With a charger at home, EVs make great daily commuters for sure.

 

[Skye]

I was interested in why, a model rated to charge at a given rate, wasn't. There are two reasons for that. The following comments are Mach-E specific. Anyone studying these two points should research the specific manufacturer of interest.

The Mach-E is specified as having a certain rate of charge. So as to receive the maximum rate, the car often pre-conditions the battery beforehand. In this first thread, IF the driver informs the car they are en-route to a fast-charge station (key phrase) , the vehicle will prep the battery on-the-way. This will allow someone to receive power at its fastest.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/max-charge-rate-for-mach-e.32688/

In any car we're interested in, we often look at the HP and torque curve. Akin to that, different EVs have different charging curves. This second thread and the attached highlight the Mach-E does not charge at a constant rate. Initially, it might at the max rate, but as the battery becomes more and more charged, the rate of charge slows.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/mach-e-fast-charging-rate.25126/

"The rate you can load people into a subway car is different if the car is nearly empty than if it is nearly full... When it's nearly full, there is more friction stuffing more people in.

The rate you can fill an air compressor tank is faster when it is empty... as pressure builds, heat goes up and compressor has to work a lot harder."

As to the topic of fast-charging, some links to define the different types of charging currently available.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a41803552/ev-charging-levels/

https://www.evconnect.com/blog/slow-charge-vs-fast-charge-ev-charging

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/impacts-of-fast-charging

All these point to the broader question as to how the vehicle will be used.

In-town driving, while there will always be outliers (the person running out of gas on the side of the road), it's generally not an issue. People hock-up when home.

Distance driving requires some planning. I occasionally study EV stations in my region, along with natural gas and now hydrogen. While becoming more common, it's best to determine where they are ahead of time.

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...n-access-to-12-000-tesla-superchargers--.html

 

[sk47]

Hello; Interesting how those of us who do not favor EV's and the necessary support system as it currently exists are become pigeonholed as having some sort of mental defect.

This is truly the case for a specialist (which I've said long time ago elsewhere). If it's even curable.

That we need to be cured.

I have used my adoption of LED light bulbs as an example of qualities need for new tech to be worth using. Early LED were a bit too expensive even tho they did reduce energy consumption. Eventually at a price point they became worth using. They did the job well while using less energy and if the hype is correct will last much longer.
Might be that someday the EV's will be at a good price point (a qualification being without taxpayer subsidies). However, the current EV's fall short of the vehicles they are meant to replace. So, unlike an LED the EV is still an inferior replacement.
EV's work well enough for a small percentage of people. Folks with a home charger who do not travel very far. Folks who can afford an alternative high-priced vehicle and have ordinary ICE as well.
The justification appears to be EV's are part of a plan to save the planet. The facts do not support this notion. If Ev's do turn out to be some more environmentally friendly, I figure the margins will be too small to be of much impact. After some months, maybe years by now, my take is EV's along with associated green energy agendas will wind up being different sorts of environmental damage. Perhaps even worse that the fossil fuel impacts in their own ways.

 

[S550HPP]

I personally love hybrid with e-torque supporting with instant torque. When zone right like Lexus does it it's invisible.

Currently I'm getting 190 miles per tank of premium 94 in my HPP at $60 @ fill from near empty, driving in urban while the dealer reception girl gets 400 miles in her couple on the free way exclusively.

I absolutely love low end torque haha. Can't keep my foot off the matt!

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