Got embarrased by a Vette

[GT Pony]

I still have my 2002 ZO6 and love it long time...lol! I had it since 2003 and it doesn't bother me that there are faster ones out there. It will always be faster cars. However, none excite me like the C5 ZO6. It's just so raw! I never been beat by stock mustang. However, I've been beaten my supercharged/NOS 2003 Mach 1. At the end of the day, I don't care. Back then, he went home in his 25ish Mach 1 and I went home in America's first and only true sports car. At $42,000 in 2003, I thought it was a steal!

Why did you sell or trade in yours? Mine has been off for awhile, so just added the S550 to the stable. It's funny reading the comments! I love my S550, but it's a stretch to say it is faster than my C5 ZO6. It's more hilirous to think it can beat a C7. I'm not big on the C7 looks, even the ZO6, but let's be clear! Unless, you are diehard Ford fan, there is no way someone will pick a S550 for track use over a C6 GS, C6 ZO6, C7, or C7 Stringray. If want to argue, performance per dollar, sadly you can get a 02-04 ZO6 for high teens to low 20's and add minor mods and walk the crap out of any S550 GT. I'm not losing any sleep over the S550, and I have one.

Let's just be clear, a S550 is pleasure to drive, but it is not a Corvette. My C5 ZO6 is a go cart compared to my 2015 GT PP.

I really liked my 2002 C5 Z06, and contiplated keeping it and getting the 2015 GT also. But I've come to learn that having too many vehicles becomes a pain with maintenance, upkeep, mods, insurance, etc. Yes, the C5 Z06 was definitely a "raw" sports car and was definitely fun to drive - and would out handle and probably pull away from the GT on a roll.

But after driving the GT I felt like it was time to have a sports car that was more of a daily driver and had more of the luxury sports car feel. I semi-regreted letting the Z06 go since it was in perfect condition and had low miles, but I'm enjoying the new GT and over-all it will be a better suited car for me at this point.

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[Guard5.0]

I would like to add a first hand opinion.

I've owned the C7 since november. I may or may not have raced a 2013 Mustang that had Cat back, boss intake and a tune. He stuck to my rear tire like glue. Let's just say I was surprised.

Now only after a few days in owning my S550 I am having more fun then my C7. Why? Because I can actually drive it. The C7 could damn near hit 60 in 1st a pull in 2nd puts you in jail territory. The Mustang I get to row the gears and chirp the tires. While staying within limits. The C7 was one gear change and shutting down.

Did it feel stronger? Yes. By alot? Not really. For minimal money you can match a stock C7.

Plus after market for the C7 is slim to none. Also modding a C7 will cost you more then modding a stang

Side note the throttle response is very exciting in the S550. It's like pulling the trigger of a gun. The C7 never gave me that initial impression until it sucks you into the seats.

A good friend and former co-worker has both a C6 Z06 and a new C7 Z06 with the Z07 package and I can say with no doubt that I could not keep up with the C6 on a curvy road. On a road with curves and some nice straights I believe I could keep it close through improved handling and a considerable HP advantage. Where the C6 with 505HP is a nicely balanced package that doesn't overpower the suspension the Z07 is a completely different animal. Acceleration is brutal and road holding potential is scary to say the least but as noted by many does not overpower the suspension as the ZR1 could. He also has a 2012 GTR which doesn't feel nearly as exciting now which should tell you something.

The worst part of the whole thing is that these are only three of his current 8 vehicles. All wicked!

 

[Nac79]

I really liked my 2002 C5 Z06, and contiplated keeping it and getting the 2015 GT also. But I've come to learn that having too many vehicles becomes a pain with maintenance, upkeep, mods, insurance, etc. Yes, the C5 Z06 was definitely a "raw" sports car and was definitely fun to drive - and would out handle and probably pull away from the GT on a roll.

But after driving the GT I felt like it was time to have a sports car that was more of a daily driver and had more of the luxury sports car feel. I semi-regreted letting the Z06 go since it was in perfect condition and had low miles, but I'm enjoying the new GT and over-all it will be a better suited car for me at this point.

GT Pony, I do understand. That's why I sold the 2007 Shelby GT. However, the muscle car bug hit me when I saw the S550. I was sold when test drove the one off I purchased.

I do understand the one performance car methodology, however my ZO6 has been a part of my life for 12 years! It was the car my wife and I got married in. I have so many memories that I couldn't part with it. Plus, I always wanted a Corvette so I have one now. It has 38,300 miles on her. I change the oil once a year, the coolant once every three years, brake fluid once every two years, and I drive it once a month during Spring to Fall. It is semi retired, so it is not costing me much in gas.

However, it does get confusing on the maintenance schedule, because I have three other vehicles plus a riding lawn mower to maintain. However, such is life. My philosophy is if I put the amount of my car payment or more plus insurance in investment/savings each month, why not! I thought the Dave Ramsey way was the way and it cost me my Shelby. However, I think in the middle of saving and spending fits me the best.

Sorry about the Z and enjoy the GT. I'm sure you will be back in a Corvette soon enough.

 

[Nac79]

A good friend and former co-worker has both a C6 Z06 and a new C7 Z06 with the Z07 package and I can say with no doubt that I could not keep up with the C6 on a curvy road. On a road with curves and some nice straights I believe I could keep it close through improved handling and a considerable HP advantage. Where the C6 with 505HP is a nicely balanced package that doesn't overpower the suspension the Z07 is a completely different animal. Acceleration is brutal and road holding potential is scary to say the least but as noted by many does not overpower the suspension as the ZR1 could. He also has a 2012 GTR which doesn't feel nearly as exciting now which should tell you something.

The worst part of the whole thing is that these are only three of his current 8 vehicles. All wicked!

You my friend have a awesome friend! :cheers:

 

[Taneras]

Not saying this is true or not but if I would 30-150 twice

It could be true and still be legal. I'm not sure exactly where but I have seen some videos on roll racing half mile events - which if the car is fast enough could do ~30-150mph runs. ;)

Insane, obviously one would expect the C7 to win but for it to be that close... I guess I've underestimated the Boss intake quite a bit.

 

[HalfMoon]

I would like to add a first hand opinion.

I've owned the C7 since november. I may or may not have raced a 2013 Mustang that had Cat back, boss intake and a tune. He stuck to my rear tire like glue. Let's just say I was surprised.

Now only after a few days in owning my S550 I am having more fun then my C7. Why? Because I can actually drive it. The C7 could damn near hit 60 in 1st a pull in 2nd puts you in jail territory. The Mustang I get to row the gears and chirp the tires. While staying within limits. The C7 was one gear change and shutting down.

Did it feel stronger? Yes. By alot? Not really. For minimal money you can match a stock C7.

Plus after market for the C7 is slim to none. Also modding a C7 will cost you more then modding a stang

Side note the throttle response is very exciting in the S550. It's like pulling the trigger of a gun. The C7 never gave me that initial impression until it sucks you into the seats.

For the bolded part, there are less "upgrades" for the c7 because in many areas the car doesn't need them. I just spent $600 with discounts to fix my IRS issues on the S550 and there are still more parts to buy for that issue. On the C7 those really don't have a need to exist. People spend $300 on lowering springs and $300+ on installation on the mustang to drop the car 1". On the Corvettes it's 30 minutes, a jack, a jack stand and a 10mm wrench....

Also, Procharger to Procharger, or Vortech to Vortech the prices are just about the same on the street between the two cars. One could argue that taking a C7 and adding a centri is all most people would ever need for mods.

Sorry Brent, I know we all do it but this sounds like some justification on your decision. Again, not calling you out as we will all do it when we make changes. In any event, I like your Mustang choice better since I never liked Laguna Blue and you didn't have a Z51 with MSRC. :cheers:

 

[Brent302]

For the bolded part, there are less "upgrades" for the c7 because in many areas the car doesn't need them. I just spent $600 with discounts to fix my IRS issues on the S550 and there are still more parts to buy for that issue. On the C7 those really don't have a need to exist. People spend $300 on lowering springs and $300+ on installation on the mustang to drop the car 1". On the Corvettes it's 30 minutes, a jack, a jack stand and a 10mm wrench....

Also, Procharger to Procharger, or Vortech to Vortech the prices are just about the same on the street between the two cars. One could argue that taking a C7 and adding a centri is all most people would ever need for mods.

Sorry Brent, I know we all do it but this sounds like some justification on your decision. Again, not calling you out as we will all do it when we make changes. In any event, I like your Mustang choice better since I never liked Laguna Blue and you didn't have a Z51 with MSRC. :cheers:

C7s still had wheel hop lol you're in denial if you say they don't. lol.

C7 NEEDS a intake manifold swap. The loss I'm power near redline is a let down.

I never said the mustang was perfect but the C7 is far from perfect.

 

[HalfMoon]

C7s still had wheel hop lol you're in denial if you say they don't. lol.

C7 NEEDS a intake manifold swap. The loss I'm power near redline is a let down.

I never said the mustang was perfect but the C7 is far from perfect.

Don't get defensive. Like I said, I wasn't jumping on you.

Intake manifold? No, but it can use an airbox change like the AFE (which I put on mine.).

Wheel hop on the Z51 with MSRC is minimal compared to the S550. I've never driven a base C7 hard, but I have ridden in one so I don't know how bad it is on that car.

I never said either is perfect. They are both far from it, one just a little farther.

As for power up top, I think you're feeling the torque fall off some, but the power is still there. You don't need to run it to the rev limiter.

Stock dyno examples:

 

[Brent302]

Don't get defensive. Like I said, I wasn't jumping on you.

Intake manifold? No, but it can use an airbox change like the AFE (which I put on mine.).

Wheel hop on the Z51 with MSRC is minimal compared to the S550.

I never said either is perfect. They are both far from it, one just a little farther.

Eh text never translates well. People inject emotion into black and white text. I'm enjoying my time at a car show. [emoji41]

 

[cosmo]

I looked at a stock LT1 versus Coyote dyno, and the LT1 still makes the same/more torque in the higher RPMs as the Coyote (about 300 at 6500 RPM). It just has a larger % torque drop in the upper RPMs than the Coyote does, which is what people are feeling.

 

[HalfMoon]

Eh text never translates well. People inject emotion into black and white text. I'm enjoying my time at a car show. [emoji41]

Gotcha. Same here.

Friendly discussions are often misread in one's internal voice.

 

[Guard5.0]

You my friend have a awesome friend! :cheers:

His vehicles, Super Snake w/900+RWHP (scary), C6 Z06 (dark blue and gorgeous), C7 Z06 w/Z07 package (drool), GTR (mostly stock but eyeball flattening), 2014 Raptor (Roush SC and exhaust), 2013 CTS-V (rare 6-speed manual), Huyabusa (Power commander & pipe), Harley VRod.
Yes, he likes to go fast.
In stock form my GTPP would outrun the truck and ...... that's it! With approx. 630 crank HP and lots of suspension stuff I can probably get the Cadillac, and hang close to the C6 and the VRod. With the next phase of mods and a tune I could probably get the SS because it's at the point where the suspension is grossly overmatched and needs to be pointed in a straight line before getting heavy with the throttle though in a straight line acceleration is phenomenal, to the point where the car never totally feels connected to the pavement. I refuse to spend the money to run with the other 4 as it would be easier, and maybe cheaper to just get the new GT40.

And on top of it all he's a really decent guy!

 

[Sered]

Well ofcourse its the balance of both Hp and Torque but torque is actually the measure in acceleration and horsepower is the energy and power that the engine is generating to overcome friction forces to reach top speed! So i would take an engine with a Torque number close to its HP number, any day . Gearing do play a huge role in putting you in the power band in a timely manner and keeps in the power band but you sacrifice top speed for that matter!

No. This is just wrong.

Faster in what..? Top end, 0~62mph, 70-mph ~ 120mph ..? 1/4-mile..? Around a curve..?

The point being, is that TQ is not dismissive and tells more about a car's performance than HP alone. I'd rather know a Car's TQ figure, than it's HP. Because it will tells me how it will be geared and how it drives, relative to knowing HP.

No, this is also wrong.

Horsepower is applied torque over time. You can either apply a lot of torque over a longer period of time or less torque over shorter periods of time; both will accelerate the car. Torque is an instantaneous force, it will not continuously accelerate a vehicle. You need to apply it quickly over time.

Average power under the curve is the most deciding factor of what accelerates a vehicle. Because physics.

 

[GT Pony]

I always like these HP vs Torque discussions ... it's the same convoluted discussion on every car chat board I've ever read. LoL

 

[pinero61]

I got absolutely decimated by a new c7 the other day. I was baffled up until I heard that old familiar "pssshhhh"... Turns out, he's running twins....

I stopped and talked to him about it for a while, and he's actually good friends with some of the guys i go to the track with. I'll get some pics next time we go to the track.

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