Edelbrock E-Force Troubleshooting Manual

[mikengail]

I ordered the 103mm throttle body from Soler Performance through Teegan Brooks, who was very helpful. With their 5% discount, my out-the-door cost was $486.86. Soler said that they would ensure that their TB would fit the snout on my Eddy 2650 at no extra cost.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know the dimensions to the snout opening, including bolt pattern arrangement? I'm a stage-1 guy and it appears that Edelbrock's in-house brand of 103mm TB bolts directly up to the snout with no adapter. Is that a correct assumption, on my part?

Thank you to all the subscribers of this thread that have helped me and others so much. I've tried to do the same with some of my posts. This TB should get me over 700rwhp on 91. I'm at 697 now using an 87mm TB and 120mm open element CAI...

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[illtal]

I ordered the 103mm throttle body from Soler Performance through Teegan Brooks, who was very helpful. With their 5% discount, my out-the-door cost was $486.86. Soler said that they would ensure that their TB would fit the snout on my Eddy 2650 at no extra cost.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know the dimensions to the snout opening, including bolt pattern arrangement? I'm a stage-1 guy and it appears that Edelbrock's in-house brand of 103mm TB bolts directly up to the snout with no adapter. Is that a correct assumption, on my part?

Thank you to all the subscribers of this thread that have helped me and others so much. I've tried to do the same with some of my posts. This TB should get me over 700rwhp on 91. I'm at 697 now using an 87mm TB and 120mm open element CAI...

It doesn't, you need the competition airbox kit from Edelbrock for another 500 USD or so. it's in there and that's the only place it is available.

I did mine in late July with ambients of 101, weather makes a big difference. you should go above 700

 

[mikengail]

It doesn't, you need the competition airbox kit from Edelbrock for another 500 USD or so. it's in there and that's the only place it is available.

I did mine in late July with ambients of 101, weather makes a big difference. you should go above 700

Soler said that they would either make the adapter or custom drill the base of a blank 103 to fit. No extra charge. I think they have access to a 2650 like ours for doing that. If not, I'll just measure it myself. Fingers crossed...

 

[illtal]

Soler said that they would either make the adapter or custom drill the base of a blank 103 to fit. No extra charge. I think they have access to a 2650 like ours for doing that. If not, I'll just measure it myself. Fingers crossed...

Essentially what you can do if they are willing to cast you a TB with the adapter installed is to take a peice of paper, Pencil over the snout area with the 4 bolts. It is SIGNIFICANTLY bigger than the 103mm TB, they would need to either
"A" cast or CNC an adapter that is identical to EBs unit (I think these are GM style TBs)
or
"B" have the mold for the rear of the TB fit the 2650 directly.

 

[mikengail]

Essentially what you can do if they are willing to cast you a TB with the adapter installed is to take a peice of paper, Pencil over the snout area with the 4 bolts. It is SIGNIFICANTLY bigger than the 103mm TB, they would need to either
"A" cast or CNC an adapter that is identical to EBs unit (I think these are GM style TBs)
or
"B" have the mold for the rear of the TB fit the 2650 directly.

It's my understanding that one of those solutions have been implemented. I'll try to find out which one...

 

[aleccolin]

I've got a full kit P/N 158380 purchased from Evolution with a CNC ported head unit by Kong Performance, everything new in unopened boxes except for the head unit which Kong repackaged for return shipping. I've been on the fence about actually doing this install or staying N/A and I'm leaning towards selling the kit since my focus is on track days not drag racing.

It looks like this kit is over $8k now, so I'm not sure how to price this up. The CNC porting was $1400. Also have a 3.25" Griptec pulley I'll throw in. Again, everything is unused, uninstalled, new in box.

So that's about $9600 in today's money before tax. I could probably let it go for $8k if anyone is interested.

Located in SE Virginia.

 

[illtal]

I've got a full kit P/N 158380 purchased from Evolution with a CNC ported head unit by Kong Performance, everything new in unopened boxes except for the head unit which Kong repackaged for return shipping. I've been on the fence about actually doing this install or staying N/A and I'm leaning towards selling the kit since my focus is on track days not drag racing.

It looks like this kit is over $8k now, so I'm not sure how to price this up. The CNC porting was $1400. Also have a 3.25" Griptec pulley I'll throw in. Again, everything is unused, uninstalled, new in box.

So that's about $9600 in today's money before tax. I could probably let it go for $8k if anyone is interested.

Located in SE Virginia.

shit i would install that thing, you're not on the track more than you're just regular driving it!

 

[aleccolin]

Yeah that's my dilemma. I'm going to want to upgrade my fuel system too, which is just more money, but I'm already in pretty deep so why not.

 

[illtal]

Yeah that's my dilemma. I'm going to want to upgrade my fuel system too, which is just more money, but I'm already in pretty deep so why not.

honestly you can make 700 wheel with a stock fuel system + injectors and a boost a pump.
I would not exceed that on pump unless you are on the e, and I wouldn't exceed 900 unless you don't care if your engine takes a shit.

thems a whole lot of numbers in between. you can probably just throw a bap at it until you're ready for 4 digit power. I have a jms that I am removing from the whip.... PM me if you're interested. it's plug and play.

 

[mikengail]

Yeah that's my dilemma. I'm going to want to upgrade my fuel system too, which is just more money, but I'm already in pretty deep so why not.

A friend of mine, Jonathan Blevins, in Oklahoma City, runs a VMP supercharged Gen2 Coyote in an orange/yellow S197 GT500 in the Optima Search for the Ultimate Street Car, GT Class. He can tell you all about road racing a supercharged Coyote. He's been winning that class off and on for quite a few years now.

He tried going N/A one season or part of one season and went right back to the VMP supercharger, afterward. Jonathan drives that car on the street. He takes it to Cars and Coffee events, car shows, dealership promotions and local pony ride cruises with the nearby Mustang Club chapter. The car even has a top-of-the-line sound system.

I've ridden in it with him, but I almost lost one of my kidneys. That car is crazy stiff. I'm a test-n-tune drag racer only, but when I have questions about suspension or brakes, Jonathan is my expert resource...

 

[mikengail]

OK, at the risk of overposting on this thread and getting ahead of myself, I'm going to try to detail how Stage-1 owners may soon, hopefully, be able to go to a 103mm throttle body at a very reasonable and relatively inexpensive price point. Items required:

1. Soler Performance 103mm Throttle Body.
2. Soler Adapter (2650 supercharger inlet snout to 103mm TB, currently IN DEVELOPMENT).
3. PMAS Silicone Angled Reducer Coupler 90-Degree (Z-Coupling-500403)
4. PMAS 120mm MAF Housing w/7" Air Filter (H-120B1).
5. PMAS Intake Heatshield Kit 15-19 Mustang 5.0 (SA-HEATSHIELD-100).
6. 1/2" to 3/8" Inside Diameter Hose Reducer/Splicer.
7. K&N or Spectre PCV Vent Breather Filter.
8. 2020 GT500 Predator Fuel Injectors (56lbs, I think?).
9. Boost-A-Pump (I'm using the VMP Plug-n-Play type).
10. All necessary hose clamps.

IMPORTANT: I'm working with Mike @ Soler Performance in helping them design and develop an adapter that bolts to the Edelbrock Stage-1 inlet snout and reduces the inside diameter to that of the 103mm Soler Throttle Body. Mike is doing all the work. I just provided measurements, pictures and my own Edelbrock Inlet snout to stock throttle body reducer adapter that comes supplied in our kits. This is NOT a done deal and may not ever be done. I'm just trying to help Mike at Soler to help us all. Fingers crossed. If this doesn't happen, then those who still want to pursue this solution will have to take their Edelbrock Inlet Snout to Stock TB Reducer to a machine shop to make one from scratch. That's what I would end up having to do.

This potential combination will fit in your engine bay but will require eliminating the driver's side PCV Hose and the Brake Aspirator device. After removing the driver's side PCV hose, you merely plug in the PCV Vent Breather/Filter in the same hole. It will clear the supercharger side cover plate. Next, you disconnect all the hoses to the Brake Aspirator and remove it. The only hoses you need are those that connect the fitting on the supercharger snout housing and the power brake vacuum reservoir. This will require the 1/2" to 3/8" ID hose reducer/splicer. Your brakes will still work normally and that side of your engine bay will be less cluttered.

If Soler succeeds in their adapter development, this should make a little more power than the Edelbrock 103mm TB Upgrade Kit at less than half the cost. The major reason for that is that the PMAS MAF Tube is 120mm in diameter compared to the Edelbrock which is "only" 113mm in diameter.

Here are some pics to illustrate a little further:

Please excuse my cluttered workbench. It's too small and I'm still in the middle of this attempted project. The adapter pictured is the Edelbrock Stage-1 model that came with my original kit. That is what I sent to Mike at Soler for some possible reverse engineering. The blue air filter is a dry type sold by PMAS for only $35. I ordered my MAF Tube w/Air Filter combo opting for the black race filter (F-3120V 120mm Conical Race Filter). If you buy the black race filter separately, it is $50 at PMAS. The oiled version is $71.50.

Hope this helps...

 

[Torinate]

So you ordered the air filter and MAF tube from PMAS not in a kit?

nice! I’m thinking this is a great deal!

 

[mikengail]

So you ordered the air filter and MAF tube from PMAS not in a kit?

nice! I’m thinking this is a great deal!

The way that I stumbled onto this was by a simple Google search. One of the results was Juggernaut Performance. They had the modified PMAS CAI kit for those who already had the Stage-2, but wanted a bigger MAF tube and bigger air filter. I intended to use it with my 87mm Bullitt TB and my ported Ford Performance bolt pattern adapter. I used high-heat double-sided 3M tape and wrapped it around the outside of the 87mm TB opening, until I was certain to have a snug air-tight fit to the larger 90-degree angled silicon coupler of the modified PMAS. I coated the outside of the tape and the inside of the silicone tube with oil so that it wouldn't permanently stick. Alternatively, I could have used the appropriate-sized additional coupler, but I knew that the tape method would produce a guaranteed seal without any sizing guesswork.

At the time that I bought the modified PMAS CAI, Juggernaut only had two left and I got one of them. They said that they were not going to make any more, after the last one sold. About $400 or so. When it arrived and worked, I looked up every PMAS part number so that anyone could put something like this together on their own, a la carte. Once the 87mm tested out well (+28rwhp), I engaged Mike at Soler Performance. He said that he would ensure that his 103mm TB would fit, as they would make a custom adapter at no extra charge. That's what is going on now.

If Mike is successful, Soler could make their own upgrade kit for Current Stage-1 owners. No way they would charge $3500, as Edelbrock currently does, and they could make a killing. I haven't added up the individual prices for every piece, but I know that it will be around half the Edelbrock price. Plus, it would have slightly more RWHP, due to the larger MAF...

 

[illtal]

The way that I stumbled onto this was by a simple Google search. One of the results was Juggernaut Performance. They had the modified PMAS CAI kit for those who already had the Stage-2, but wanted a bigger MAF tube and bigger air filter. I intended to use it with my 87mm Bullitt TB and my ported Ford Performance bolt pattern adapter. I used high-heat double-sided 3M tape and wrapped it around the outside of the 87mm TB opening, until I was certain to have a snug air-tight fit to the larger 90-degree angled silicon coupler of the modified PMAS. I coated the outside of the tape and the inside of the silicone tube with oil so that it wouldn't permanently stick. Alternatively, I could have used the appropriate-sized additional coupler, but I knew that the tape method would produce a guaranteed seal without any sizing guesswork.

At the time that I bought the modified PMAS CAI, Juggernaut only had two left and I got one of them. They said that they were not going to make any more, after the last one sold. About $400 or so. When it arrived and worked, I looked up every PMAS part number so that anyone could put something like this together on their own, a la carte. Once the 87mm tested out well (+28rwhp), I engaged Mike at Soler Performance. He said that he would ensure that his 103mm TB would fit, as they would make a custom adapter at no extra charge. That's what is going on now.

If Mike is successful, Soler could make their own upgrade kit for Current Stage-1 owners. No way they would charge $3500, as Edelbrock currently does, and they could make a killing. I haven't added up the individual prices for every piece, but I know that it will be around half the Edelbrock price. Plus, it would have slightly more RWHP, due to the larger MAF...

Edelbrock is crazy. I watched prices outpace competitors for years. It doesn't make much since to spend that kind of coin for a supercharger kit when you can have turbo for far less.

 

[mikengail]

Agree. If I had to do it all over again, I would have gone twin turbo. Both Hellion and Armageddon are headquartered here in Albuquerque.

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