Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger...

[gsxr1300]

That would probably make me feel better about getting one, just knowing who really makes the blower. Does anyone know if in fact it does or will, should I say, make better power and torque in the lower RPM range because of it's positioning?
I'm asking because I plan on adding a SC to my Vert with auto. down the line. As someone else mentioned I won't be taking my car to the strip so upper end power would be nice but I'd like something that will give the car a lot of mid RPM range power(2500-5500)....You know, just some good sporty streetable power for a daily driver...

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[ptoemmes]

Absolutely not. Not even a tiny bit.

I do not know enough to agree or disagree (but I know you know more than I do ), but I believe Edelbrock's claim is that the intercooled/compressed air flow is delivered to the intake ports via longer 15" intake runners (due to the upside down design) and so makes more low end torque.

I know intake runner length used to be important in the good ole daze of carbureted engines, but then so was a straight shot - thus the high rise manifolds of the day.

I am paraphrasing what I think they claim - not drinking the cool aid.

It's possible that is true compared to other Eaton integrated superchargers but not true compared to, say, a Whipple or anything else non Eaton.

And I cannot wrap my head around HOW the air flows twice through the intercooler regardless of whether that is a good thing or just marketing-hype.

We do not have (dyno) test results from this new E-Force so cannot say for sure.

Pete

 

[ptoemmes]

A cutaway of the DP-3C airflow for the Mustang is shown here on pdf page 9. No mention of runner length so that may have been a "marketing" point for the 2011-2014.

http://www.edelbrock.com/advertising/Literature/Brochures/EDL_E-Force_Broch_02789.pdf

 

[Evolvd]

I'm very curious to see how this design compares to the FRPP/Roush 2.3 blower. That looks to be the closest "apples to apples" comparison available.

 

[Department Of Boost]

but I believe Edelbrock's claim is that the intercooled/compressed air flow is delivered to the intake ports via longer 15" intake runners (due to the upside down design) and so makes more low end torque.

Runner length doesn't effect TQ with PD blowers.

I know intake runner length used to be important in the good ole daze of carbureted engines, but then so was a straight shot - thus the high rise manifolds of the day.

Runner length, cross section, shape, etc is critical on a NA motor. This is because the only thing filling the runners is atmospheric pressure. It is not critical when you put a compressor (PD) blower on though.

I am paraphrasing what I think they claim - not drinking the cool aid.

I getcha.

It's possible that is true compared to other Eaton integrated superchargers but not true compared to, say, a Whipple or anything else non Eaton.

It's not, see below.

And I cannot wrap my head around HOW the air flows twice through the intercooler regardless of whether that is a good thing or just marketing-hype.

It's a gimmick. It COULD work with enough IC core (volume) and enough water flow through it. But that is not the case here.

We do not have (dyno) test results from this new E-Force so cannot say for sure.

I'm 99.99999999999999999999% sure.

A few years ago a buddy with a shop called me to tell me about how he finally had a chance to do a A/B test with a E Force. For some reason I can't remember one of his customers didn't want to run his Roush 2.3L TVS anymore and got a E Force. My buddies shop threw the car on the dyno, pulled the Roush then put the E Force on and put the car back on the dyno. The runs were made within a day of each other at the exact same boost. The Roush and E Force graphs laid right over the top of each other.

My buddy and I had theorized that the E Force runner length was hooey for quite some time. We never thought that he would get a chance to test it.

 

[Department Of Boost]

A cutaway of the DP-3C airflow for the Mustang is shown here on pdf page 9. No mention of runner length so that may have been a "marketing" point for the 2011-2014.

http://www.edelbrock.com/advertising/Literature/Brochures/EDL_E-Force_Broch_02789.pdf

LOL:lol:

Check out how close the "lid" is to the top of the IC cores. That is going to severely limit the blower.

 

[ptoemmes]

LOL:lol:

Check out how close the "lid" is to the top of the IC cores. That is going to severely limit the blower.

Hey lighten up - they have to accommodate that all important STB. :doh:

Thanks you for your insight :cheers:

 

[Concrete GT]

So no real advantages over the Rousch other than no grinding ? Looks like I'm back to between a Procharger or Whipple....

 

[Evolvd]

Perhaps we should hold off on "judgment" of something that isn't even released yet.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Perhaps we should hold off on "judgment" of something that isn't even released yet.

Physics is physics my man.;)

The E Force blowers for the 2005-2014 cars have IAT's at the hot end of the spectrum because of inferior IC design. They also have a pretty low ceiling as far as ultimate power production compared to other blowers with 2.3L TVS rotors. The 2015+ unit looks worse.

They packaging looks great. They made a ton of sacrifices to do it though.

 

[Evolvd]

I understand that, however keep in mind they are offering something that many others aren't by way of automatic 3yr/36K mile warranty on engine, drivetrain and SC. That could appeal to a lot of people regardless of how it's power output compares to a Whipple, Procharger, FRPP, etc.

 

[Jeffy_2010]

I understand that, however keep in mind they are offering something that many others aren't by way of automatic 3yr/36K mile warranty on engine, drivetrain and SC. That could appeal to a lot of people regardless of how it's power output compares to a Whipple, Procharger, FRPP, etc.

And rear end if I remember correctly

 

[Department Of Boost]

I understand that, however keep in mind they are offering something that many others aren't by way of automatic 3yr/36K mile warranty on engine, drivetrain and SC. That could appeal to a lot of people regardless of how it's power output compares to a Whipple, Procharger, FRPP, etc.

If the performance sacrifice is something that some people will make for a warranty that is absolutely their decision. I'm certainly not going to tell someone what to buy. I'm simply trying to inform people about what the drawbacks are.

 

[Jeffy_2010]

If the performance sacrifice is something that some people will make for a warranty that is absolutely their decision. I'm certainly not going to tell someone what to buy. I'm simply trying to inform people about what the drawbacks are.

True buy some guys aren't looking for massive hp outputs, and also want to keep the fairly stock look while retaining the strut brace

 

[Concrete GT]

I understand that, however keep in mind they are offering something that many others aren't by way of automatic 3yr/36K mile warranty on engine, drivetrain and SC. That could appeal to a lot of people regardless of how it's power output compares to a Whipple, Procharger, FRPP, etc.

I thought Rousch validated the 3/36 part of your warranty when you installed their SC...Sorry if I'm ignorant on this. I just started looking into SC recently...

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