Drive Modes & The A10

[19gtaz]

Duh! Your 100% right. I totally forgot about that. But since you have to get PP to get MR I was partial right.

Yes you were! Thanks for helping me figure it out.

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[stars_fan]

I use wet & snow all the time and sport shift mode with comfort steering and quiet AE.

Traction control on most of the time on acceleration but I won't be wrapping may car around a post haha.

Or run into a crowd of people.

 

[tnk_2]

So, what is the mode selector and shift in d or s for drag racing at the strip? What is the best for on the street?

 

[TonyNJ]

My research leads me to believe it is a magneride thing.
Here's a thread where several people with magneride have the same situation.
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/interesting-discovery.172284/page-2

Interesting. Great find. Both cars I experienced it with were magnaride cars.

 

[spazmatt527]

So what happens if you are in Drive Mode S+, move the trans from D to S, but DON'T activate the paddle shifters? Does having trans in "S" (without touching paddles) while drive mode is in "Sport+" even do anything?

 

[Cobra Jet]

So what happens if you are in Drive Mode S+, move the trans from D to S, but DON'T activate the paddle shifters? Does having trans in "S" (without touching paddles) while drive mode is in "Sport+" even do anything?

Separate Trans Mode (Trans selector in D or S) from Drive Mode (toggle switch at center stack), they’re 2 different things.

Trans Mode “S” (6R80 or 10R80) puts the TCM into a more aggressive shifting mode. It will allow the car to run out to redline, whether manually shifting (if paddles touched) or in full auto mode (paddles not touched).

Drive Mode S+ (activated by Drive Mode toggle at center stack) changes the Ford factory PCM “tune” so to speak; essentially changing engine performance mapping (car will sound different and act different for every Drive Mode selected). IIRC, it also puts the steering into sport feel too.

If you haven’t seen the main 10R80 thread, which contains A LOT of tech/fyi/faq’s, this thread is snipped from within it, which will help new owners of the 10R80 with the Trans Mode vs Drive Mode info.
10R80 Trans Modes vs Drive Modes + Paddle Shift facts:
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/drive-modes-the-a10.141350/#post-2896682

Here’s the main link for the 10R80. Post 1, page 1 is where the most important 10R80 info is located (scroll down through it, there’s many hyperlinks and attached PDFs):
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...tions-to-harsh-or-no-shift-conditions.135463/

Hope that’s helpful.

 

[spazmatt527]

Separate Trans Mode (Trans selector in D or S) from Drive Mode (toggle switch at center stack), they’re 2 different things.

Trans Mode “S” (6R80 or 10R80) puts the TCM into a more aggressive shifting mode. It will allow the car to run out to redline, whether manually shifting (if paddles touched) or in full auto mode (paddles not touched).

Drive Mode S+ (activated by Drive Mode toggle at center stack) changes the Ford factory PCM “tune” so to speak; essentially changing engine performance mapping (car will sound different and act different for every Drive Mode selected). IIRC, it also puts the steering into sport feel too.

If you haven’t seen the main 10R80 thread, which contains A LOT of tech/fyi/faq’s, this thread is snipped from within it, which will help new owners of the 10R80 with the Trans Mode vs Drive Mode info.
10R80 Trans Modes vs Drive Modes + Paddle Shift facts:
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/drive-modes-the-a10.141350/#post-2896682

Here’s the main link for the 10R80. Post 1, page 1 is where the most important 10R80 info is located (scroll down through it, there’s many hyperlinks and attached PDFs):
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...tions-to-harsh-or-no-shift-conditions.135463/

Hope that’s helpful.

So once you're in Sport + drive mode, moving the trans to "S" does literally nothing (other than giving you access to permanent-manual mode)?

 

[Cobra Jet]

So once you're in Sport + drive mode, moving the trans to "S" does literally nothing (other than giving you access to permanent-manual mode)?

First - I want to clarify all of the below is ONLY for and in reference to an S550 equipped with an AUTOMATIC transmission (10R80 for current subject matter). TRANS Modes are absent on MT82 equipped S550's, so let's get that out of the way now.

Second - The (4) doc images are from the 2018 S550 Owner's Manual regarding AUTOMATIC TRANS Modes (D and S) and the various DRIVE Modes (Track, [Sport - auto trans only], Sport+, Drag, and Snow/Wet).

Third - This is the info regarding "SPORT" according to the Owner's Manual "DRIVE Mode" section. This excerpt was taken from the image snip seen further below. PLEASE NOTE - "SPORT" is NOT to be confused with "Sport+."

Sport - Engages when you shift your automatic transmission into sport (S). Sport mode increases throttle response and helps your vehicle accelerate faster, but does not change the vehicle dynamics or stability system.

What makes the above "SPORT" info even more confusing is IF one reads the separate annotations outlined in the Owner's Manual for TRANS Mode (S)port and DRIVE Mode (S)port, the Ford tech doesn't really mesh and still separates the (2) types of Modes from each other. What the User has to keep in mind is this: DRIVE Mode "(S)PORT" does NOT exist in the DRIVE Mode menu selections UNTIL TRANS Mode "(S)port" is selected using the Transmission Gear Selector.

See actual gauge cluster images below for further explanation of #3 above which will help to understand the Owner's Manual statement for DRIVE Mode "(S)port". The (3) dash cluster images are from my own 2018 w/10R80:

In this below image, when the TRANS selector is in D(rive) and DRIVE Mode toggle switch is toggled, these are the available DRIVE Mode menu options. The first icon it is on is DRIVE Mode "Normal". Notice in the DRIVE Mode menu selections, a "(S)port" Mode icon does NOT exist in the menu options at all:

In this below image, the TRANS Mode is still in "D" (Normal), but for the DRIVE Mode
Menu option, I have chosen the S+ (Sport+). Again note that the DRIVE Mode "(S)port" icon is NOT available in the list.

In this last image below, TRANS MODE "(S)port" is selected by putting the Transmission Gear Selector into "(S)port". The DRIVE Mode toggle switch was toggled again, BUT in this instance now notice that the DRIVE Mode "(S)port" icon IS present in the menu options (circled in green). Also notice that DRIVE Mode icons "Normal" and "Snow/Wet" are no longer present. This is the ONLY time a user will see the DRIVE Mode "(S)port" icon available in the DRIVE Mode menu options.

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TRANS Modes "D" (Normal) and "(S)port" are accessible using the automatic Transmission Gear Selector. The Trans modes affect the TCM TRANS operation and transmission performance. These (2) pages apply to 10R80 for 2018+ S550's (the general operational guidelines aside from available trans gearing, also applies to prior 2015-2017 S550's w/ 6R80). Also below that is the info regarding how "SelectShift" works and how TRANS Mode "(S)port)" will react when using paddles:

DRIVE Modes (Normal, [Sport - auto trans only], Sport+, Track, Drag, and Snow/Wet) for an S550 with MT82/10R80, are accessible via the MODE toggle switch at the bottom of console center stack. The DRIVE Modes affect the PCM ENGINE performance and are essentially "canned" factory tune mappings based on the DRIVE Mode selected. These (2) pages apply to 2018+ S550's (but again, also apply to prior 2015-2017 S550's with MT82/6R80).

I hope the above better clarifies the questions regarding TRANS Modes vs DRIVE Modes and offered further clarification of just the "(S)port" function in an S550 equipped with an AUTOMATIC transmission.

 

[Vertex]

Or maybe they fixed/changed it in 21. Mine is a 19.

Can confirm in my Mach 1 it does not allow me to change steering mode when in sport+, track, drag modes.

Also just in case it has not been said if you do put the shifter into sport mode you can still get it back into it's automatic shifting function if you hold the + paddle to upshift for a few seconds.

I also want to note if it has not been said anywhere (although I have not had a chance to try in my car yet since I'm not driving it till I get tires installed this weekend) that I was told by a friend that if you hold the - or downshift lever for a few seconds, the vehicle will downshift to the lowest possible gear when driving. If anyone is able to try this before me keep me posted, otherwise this weekend I will be trying it out.

 

[t-zoo]

I’ve seen a form of this question asked several times on this thread and others but not directly answered:

Will overall performance be enhanced by placing the trans mode into S (sport) while operating in drive mode sport+, track or drag mode?

 

[Qcman17]

I’ve seen a form of this question asked several times on this thread and others but not directly answered:

Will overall performance be enhanced by placing the trans mode into S (sport) while operating in drive mode sport+, track or drag mode?

Yup agreed its a pretty simple question with a yes or no answer in my mind.

 

[gadgtfreek]

No. its like adding a package with active cruise, or adding a package with active cruise and BLIS 360. One does X (S), one does X + Y (S+, Track).

 

[mtr5.0]

when im at the drag strip , i have the car in dragstrip mode , and the shifter in D . never tried dragstrip mode and the shifter in S . might have to try that next time

 

[wynand32]

To condense my own confusion, the manual says this:

• Sport – Engages when you shift your automatic transmission into sport (S). Sport mode increases throttle response and helps your vehicle accelerate faster, but does not change the vehicle dynamics or stability system. The automatic transmission holds lower gears and a higher RPM when lifting off the accelerator. The automatic transmission downshifts to a higher RPM when braking aggressively.
• Sport+ – Best suited for spirited driving. This mode increases throttle response, and if your vehicle has active exhaust, it takes on a more powerful tone. If your vehicle has adaptive dampers, the suspension becomes stiffer, body motion reduces and the steering becomes more precise. Selectable steering defaults to sport. Depending on your vehicle configuration, you may be able to change the selectable steering setting by pressing the steering button. The automatic transmission holds lower gears and a higher RPM when lifting off the accelerator. The automatic transmission downshifts to a higher RPM when braking aggressively.

It appears that Sport+ provides the same throttle and transmission performance characteristics as Sport (Transmission). My question is, do I get the same transmission performance in Sport+ as I get from Sport?

That is, if I keep the Transmission in D and switch to Sport+, does the transmission act the same as if I switched into Transmission (Sport)? I'm guessing that it does, and that Transmission (Sport) is a way to affect transmission and throttle performance without affecting the rest of the performance parameters.

 

[13GetThere]

To condense my own confusion, the manual says this:

• Sport – Engages when you shift your automatic transmission into sport (S). Sport mode increases throttle response and helps your vehicle accelerate faster, but does not change the vehicle dynamics or stability system. The automatic transmission holds lower gears and a higher RPM when lifting off the accelerator. The automatic transmission downshifts to a higher RPM when braking aggressively.
• Sport+ – Best suited for spirited driving. This mode increases throttle response, and if your vehicle has active exhaust, it takes on a more powerful tone. If your vehicle has adaptive dampers, the suspension becomes stiffer, body motion reduces and the steering becomes more precise. Selectable steering defaults to sport. Depending on your vehicle configuration, you may be able to change the selectable steering setting by pressing the steering button. The automatic transmission holds lower gears and a higher RPM when lifting off the accelerator. The automatic transmission downshifts to a higher RPM when braking aggressively.

It appears that Sport+ provides the same performance characteristics as Sport (Transmission). My question is, do I get the same transmission performance in Sport+ as I get from Sport?

That is, if I keep the Transmission in D and switch to Sport+, does the transmission act the same as if I switched into Transmission (Sport)? I'm guessing that it does, and that Transmission (Sport) is a way to affect transmission and throttle performance without affecting the rest of the performance parameters.

That's pretty much how I see it.

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