Drive Modes & The A10

[Cobra Jet]

No active exhaust. The suspension will only change if you have Magnaride correct? I have a PP1, 401A, & B&O, A10 as my only options. Typically is switch off traction control when I start playing with the modes.



Thank you for this breakdown! I will give this a more through read this evening!
On a quick glance it seems the (S) mode selected on the shifter still gives a spirited driving experience outside of the standard (D). Then I have that choice to enhance that performance further by selecting Sport + (via toggle) or Track which either can be used in (D) or (S) & with (S) giving me full control of the paddles...

Correct. However to be aware that as noted, once you put the trans selector into “S”, you have control of the manual upshifts IF you touch the paddle at a stop or while driving. Once you touch the paddle in Trans Mode S, even if you have not selected a Drive Mode from the center stack toggles, the car is in full manual mode and will not upshift into next gear until YOU do it.

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[Mustang5ohMan]

Correct. However to be aware that as noted, once you put the trans selector into “S”, you have control of the manual upshifts IF you touch the paddle at a stop or while driving. Once you touch the paddle in Trans Mode S, even if you have not selected a Drive Mode from the center stack toggles, the car is in full manual mode and will not upshift into next gear until YOU do it.

thanks. I guess just on my side since no Magnaride all it does is change throttle mapping and how hard it shifts correct? Not much else it can change outside of it trying to keep the car in the power band.

 

[19gtaz]

Here ya go - this is all the info you need to know about paddle shifting AND the Trans Modes AND the Drive Modes (a little long, but complete):

The below applies to the 2018 10R80, but still applies to the 2019+ w/10R80:.

Drive Mode info (ie: as pertaining to only the Center Stack “MODE” switch”).

This is directly form the 2018 Owners Manual (and can be found in prior year Owners manuals):

And this will help you too:


Here’s some helpful info for new 10R80 (A10) Owners that I had posted a few times on here:

[1] Trans selector in Normal (D) mode:
After initial vehicle start up, when the Trans is in (D) and without driver intervention of touching the paddles, the trans is going to auto shift based on what it has adapated from learning the Driver’s driving habits and Ford’s mapping. The trans will hold the gear long enough as preprogrammed from Ford’s mapping and will auto down/up shift as needed based on that mapping AND the adapted Driver’s habits. The transmission will select the BEST and most OPTIMUM gear needed - it does NOT always shift like 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 nor does it downshift through 10 consecutive gears.... it could go 1,3,5 or if downshifting, go 9,7,5.... you get the idea.

HOWEVER, if the driver intervenes while in (D) and clicks up/down with the paddles, the trans will hold the gear selected longer than the preprogrammed mode, but it will NOT redline and will auto shift out into the next gear IF the driver has not. The same is true for downshifting.


[2] Trans selector in Sport (S) mode, the Driver has (2) options:

A) Touch the paddle and the trans is now controlled strictly by the Driver. This means if you click the paddle from a dead stop and start accelerating - the trans will NOT shift from 1 to 2 (or into any next gear) until the Driver makes the change manually. The car WILL hold the gear and WILL redline until the manual change is made by the driver. If the car was in motion and the Driver clicked a paddle (up or down), again, the trans WILL hold the current gear and CAN redline until the Driver makes the manual change.

B) If after vehicle start up, the Driver selected (S) initially and has NOT touched the paddles at all (and does NOT touch them while driving) - in (S) the car will hold out the gears much longer than if in (D); the trans WILL auto shift but will NOT hold the gear out to redline based on the preprogrammed mapping from Ford. IF while driving, the user moves the shifter from (D) to (S) and the Driver does NOT touch the paddles, again the trans will react exactly in the same manner where it’s following the preprogrammed mapping from Ford.


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The DRIVE MODE S+ is totally separate from the transmission selections. The S+ Drive Mode is triggered and activated only when the driver manually selects this mode using drive mode toggle switch in the center stack and it only changes:
1) Engine performance due to preprogrammed engine parameters.
2) Trans shift points

When in drive mode S+ with shifter in D, the car will still auto shift - even if the user has touched a paddle - if the user does not touch a paddle again, the car will still auto upshift (or downshift) itself.

The ONLY time the trans allows the vehicle to be in “full manual mode” is when the operator puts the shifter selector into “S”, regardless of what “drive mode” the operator has chosen from center stack for engine performance.

If the vehicle drive mode is S+ and the Trans selector is in S, once the operator touches a paddle to upshift or downshift (while driving OR from a standing stop) - the trans is taken out of its own “auto logic” and is now in complete manual mode - it will NOT upshift at all until the operator manually shifts via the paddles.

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The above also applies to the 6R80 in the prior 2015-2017’s, with the obvious difference being the trans only cycles through 6 gears.

It says in the manual that in "Sport +" steering defaults to sport but can be changed using the steering button.
On my car when in Sport + and you push the steering button you get a message that says unavailable in sport mode or something like that. So you can't switch to normal steering when in Sport + mode.

 

[19gtaz]

I can't seem to edit my above post so I want to add that my owners manual reads different in the Sport+ mode section:

Sport + – Best suited for spirited driving. This mode increases throttle response, and if your vehicle has active exhaust, it takes on a more powerful tone. If your vehicle has adaptive dampers, the suspension becomes stiffer, body motion reduces and the steering becomes more precise. Selectable steering defaults to Sport. Depending on vehicle configuration, you may be able to change the selectable steering setting by pressing the steering button.

The difference is that my manual says you MAY be able to change the steering setting instead of CAN. On my car in Sport+ you cannot change the steering setting. I would like to use Sport+ with normal steering and I cannot.

 

[TonyNJ]

I can't seem to edit my above post so I want to add that my owners manual reads different in the Sport+ mode section:

Sport + – Best suited for spirited driving. This mode increases throttle response, and if your vehicle has active exhaust, it takes on a more powerful tone. If your vehicle has adaptive dampers, the suspension becomes stiffer, body motion reduces and the steering becomes more precise. Selectable steering defaults to Sport. Depending on vehicle configuration, you may be able to change the selectable steering setting by pressing the steering button.

The difference is that my manual says you MAY be able to change the steering setting instead of CAN. On my car in Sport+ you cannot change the steering setting. I would like to use Sport+ with normal steering and I cannot.

Is your car a PP1 or PP2? My experience is that having those options doesn't allow you to change the steering feel in any mode except normal. In Nornal you can choose, Normal, Sport or Comfort steering. Any other mode the dashboard flashes a message saying "not available".

However, I need to go check if you can do it in "My Mode". A GT without the PP1/2 option, you can manipulate pretty much anything. Same goes for the GT350. Which is strange that the base & 350 allow it but not the PPs.

 

[sopherland]

I can't seem to edit my above post so I want to add that my owners manual reads different in the Sport+ mode section:

Sport + – Best suited for spirited driving. This mode increases throttle response, and if your vehicle has active exhaust, it takes on a more powerful tone. If your vehicle has adaptive dampers, the suspension becomes stiffer, body motion reduces and the steering becomes more precise. Selectable steering defaults to Sport. Depending on vehicle configuration, you may be able to change the selectable steering setting by pressing the steering button.

The difference is that my manual says you MAY be able to change the steering setting instead of CAN. On my car in Sport+ you cannot change the steering setting. I would like to use Sport+ with normal steering and I cannot.

That’s strange, may be a 401a (digital dash) thing? In my ‘21 400a non PP I can change the exhaust and steering modes in any drive mode. I usually run Sport +, normal steering and track exhaust.

 

[Bikeman315]

Is your car a PP1 or PP2?

 

[19gtaz]

Is your car a PP1 or PP2? My experience is that having those options doesn't allow you to change the steering feel in any mode except normal. In Nornal you can choose, Normal, Sport or Comfort steering. Any other mode the dashboard flashes a message saying "not available".

However, I need to go check if you can do it in "My Mode". A GT without the PP1/2 option, you can manipulate pretty much anything. Same goes for the GT350. Which is strange that the base & 350 allow it but not the PPs.

My car is a PP1.

 

[19gtaz]

So I just went out and double checked. In normal mode I can change to normal, sport, or comfort steering. In Sport+ mode I cannot change the steering. In My Mode, Track Mode, Wet Snow, etc, essentially all modes except Normal are unable to change steering mode.

 

[gone_n_60]

So I just went out and double checked. In normal mode I can change to normal, sport, or comfort steering. In Sport+ mode I cannot change the steering. In My Mode, Track Mode, Wet Snow, etc, essentially all modes except Normal are unable to change steering mode.

Just guessing that those modes adjust the programmed handling and suspension for a matched response in the program. Changing the steering handling would defeat the specific mode handling and maybe make it less safe from driver feedback in the steering. But that's just guess.

 

[19gtaz]

That’s strange, may be a 401a (digital dash) thing? In my ‘21 400a non PP I can change the exhaust and steering modes in any drive mode. I usually run Sport +, normal steering and track exhaust.

Or maybe they fixed/changed it in 21. Mine is a 19.

 

[Bikeman315]

Or maybe they fixed/changed it in 21. Mine is a 19.

Nothing to do with the 401a package. Poster doesn’t have a PP. that’s the difference.

 

[19gtaz]

My research leads me to believe it is a magneride thing.
Here's a thread where several people with magneride have the same situation.
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/interesting-discovery.172284/page-2

 

[Bikeman315]

My research leads me to believe it is a magneride thing.
Here's a thread where several people with magneride have the same situation.
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/interesting-discovery.172284/page-2

Duh! Your 100% right. I totally forgot about that. But since you have to get PP to get MR I was partial right.

 

[13GetThere]

Just guessing that those modes adjust the programmed handling and suspension for a matched response in the program. Changing the steering handling would defeat the specific mode handling and maybe make it less safe from driver feedback in the steering. But that's just guess.

I'd have to guess you're right. When my PP2 is in normal damping mode I can get any steering feel, and I think exhaust, but when in sport+ or track the steering goes to sport and nothing else.

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