Die hard Manual guys get in here!

[HoosierDaddy]

We already have lost the manual option in light duty trucks

For some time. I wanted a manual V8 SB pickup in 2004. Was shocked to find only Dodge offered one and dropped it the following MY. I may have bought the LAST one sold because it was after production stopped and I couldn't find a single one no matter how far I searched. Finally stumbled on one that had been a dealer trade and somehow never got added to their website inventory. The staff swore they didn't have one but I found it walking the back lots of every dealer.

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[Adamone92]

so you want to drive a high powered golf cart?

Yes. I loved my s2000.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Fully disagree. If someone is going to be an inattentive asshole, they're going to be an inattentive asshole. It doesn't matter what transmission they have. They have made the decision that whatever dumb shit they are doing is more important than paying attention to the road.

If any given driver insists on being an inattentive asshole that's one thing. I'm not looking at those drivers.

Who I am looking at are those who might take smaller advantage of not having to stay as close to the business of driving. Call it a "percentage play" thing rather than a guaranteed correlation.

Regardless of the pedestal you've placed the manual, all drivers need to look at the road, steer, and operate the pedals. Adding another pedal doesn't change this. Missing a shift isn't likely to cause an accident. Not braking in time because you were doing something else will.

It's not the missed shift I'm thinking of here. It's an attitude thing, the mental outlook and understanding that when you have to do those "extra" things you're not quite as distanced from your driving as you can let yourself get when you don't have to do those things. Call the occasional shift a subliminal reminder of that.

On the matter of braking, we'll have to see what ACC ends up teaching people . . . or if they'll even admit that ACC had to go all the way to full ABS.


Norm

 

[Sivi70980]

And my point will remain that driving a manual isn't as "engaging" as you're making it out to be. It becomes part of the background just as easily as steering, braking, and actually looking at the road. You're not juggling chainsaws, it's occasionally operating a lever. The mindset of the average driver isn't going to be changed by needing to pull that lever. The performance driver will get that connection and appreciate the experience. The performance driver is already more attentive though, regardless of their transmission choice.

I can agree with this. I shifted gears manually my entire drive to work this morning and can remember very few of them. Usually the only ones noteworthy are the shifts I screw up or when something else happens to cause an unintended shift witch would be similar no matter the transmission. I am addicted to the 4-2 downshift with rev match on an offramp or coming to a light though!

 

[Sivi70980]

I'm fond of the sport+ downshifts myself. My personal experience with the 10R80 is that the "learning" really worked.

Was my favorite part of my test drive of the A10 before I ordered my car. Paddle down sounded sooooooo awesome but I knew the 19's were getting auto rev match so I feel I got my cake and fat.

 

[Norm Peterson]

And my point will remain that driving a manual isn't as "engaging" as you're making it out to be.

For me automatics have never been very satisfying or rewarding to drive. So if you don't care to think of MTs as being "more engaging" to drive, at least consider that automatics are somewhat less so. You can basically slap them in 'D' and completely forget about that your car even has one until you're shutting down at your destination. Or if you have to back up for any reason. For me, utterly mindless, so I can at least picture how distractions might come more easily.

Way back in the late 1960s when I was driving cars with automatics (due to having no choice) I started toying around with a "W"-pattern idea for an AT shifter to simulate a MT's H-based pattern. Even then I wanted to get as far away from an AT's "automatic-ness" as possible.


Norm

 

[SloRyd]

I mean even if your into Autos I think we all can agree that we hate the little gear selection dial wheel knob thing..

 

[Adamone92]

For me automatics have never been very satisfying or rewarding to drive. So if you don't care to think of MTs as being "more engaging" to drive, at least consider that automatics are somewhat less so. You can basically slap them in 'D' and completely forget about that your car even has one until you're shutting down at your destination. Or if you have to back up for any reason. For me, utterly mindless, so I can at least picture how distractions might come more easily.

Way back in the late 1960s when I was driving cars with automatics (due to having no choice) I started toying around with a "W"-pattern idea for an AT shifter to simulate a MT's H-based pattern. Even then I wanted to get as far away from an AT's "automatic-ness" as possible.


Norm

i can agree with this. That's most of the reason I just sold my mustang gt. Even after supercharging it, adding suspension goodies, etc etc..the 10r80 just wasn't cutting it for me and wasn't enjoyable for me to drive every day. I now have a 2021 2ss 1le with the tremec 6060 and even though it doesn't have the same punch as my vmp odin 2018 mustang gt, it is much more enjoyable for me to drive with the manual transmission that I just couldn't replace with other mods.

 

[jwt]

I like the new F150 stick that folds away when not in use. That was the argument for the knob, it left a clearer surface, the fold down shift achieves that and retains the mechanical muscle memory shifter.


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[WildHorse]

Automatics it's not you running the 'number', it's the tune.
Manuals it's not the tune running the 'number', it's you.

Fastest automatic cars right now run 7's. Sticks 8's. I have zero doubt we'll see a stick car in the sevens eventually. Just a matter of time. You'll never see a automatic car run quicker than sevens on the stock ECU.

I gladly give up a couple tenths with my manual car for the sheer driving pleasure of a manual transmission.

 

[Sivi70980]

We are never going to agree Norm. There is nothing mindless about my driving. I fully appreciate every moment and am fully "there". I don't text, shave, apply makeup, or any of that. I've driven manual cars, and the engagement doesn't come from the transmission. It comes from the joy and freedom of driving. If anything, an anachronistic lever is distracting from that enjoyment.

I see both you and @Norm Peterson points. I can enjoy an A10 mustang but I also enjoy that same mustang with a M6 more. I agree that autos lend themselves to more non driving activities but I remember a hike school acquaintance that would dip, smoke, drink coffee, and shift gears. My 2 real complaints with all autos so far is my personal need to be in the utmost control of all I can be and when I wanna go from cruise to warp 9.9, it feels like autos take years to downshift. I know the A10 especially will rocket off faster than I can row by a substantial amount but with a manual I premeditate the hell out of it so it's more instant vs a machine that can't yet read minds.

 

[SloRyd]

What, you don't want to fiddle with your knob? You're already fine with playing with your stick

1st off
2nd Knobs are for the Ac or Radio.. I sometimes fiddle with them...
And 3rd absolutely! If I wanted a boring ride with minimal input from me I would get a Tesla.
The Charger RT I had was super quick, but boring as hell. Just put it in Drive and mash it...
IF I was in the market for an 18-20 I may get the Auto only for the fact that they made the gears to long in the manual.... and that’s why I’m perfectly content with my 17.

 

[WildHorse]

and that’s why I’m perfectly content with my 17.

I love my '17. Best manual trans Mustang ever conceived, especially with the IRS rear.

 

[shogun32]

I like the new F150 stick that folds away when not in use. That was the argument for the knob, it left a clearer surface, the fold down shift achieves that and retains the mechanical muscle memory shifter.

the folding down is a gimmick I thankfully don't have (sport shifter in 2020) and when I'm carving apexes in my truck I use M or D with upper-limit override. I would much prefer to have a TR6060. Making the Manual mode a push button is a very desirable improvement.

 

[SloRyd]

I’m sure most everyone on here saw this but just incase someone is unfamiliar with the difference between the 15-17 and 18-20.



ya I know I’m super nerdy but I enjoy learning crap hahaha.

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