Covid Shots

[sk47]

You would be wrong. My organization gives patients handouts after the jabs that outline everything. No secrets.

Hello; Yes, this may make the situation much more clear. May I assume you and /or your company have in some way a financial incentive involving the vaccines? Let me include a very broad range of possible incentives and not just a personal paycheck.

If you and/or your company do not gain in any way at all from the vaccines, here is the chance to explain and stop further such questions.

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[wingnutt]

I dunno bout only voting “if you own land”, but I think to vote you should at least have some tax liability...skin in the game, as it were.

this whole 40-something percent pays no taxes but gets to vote where the money goes (by choosing their candidate) is only gonna get worse, IMHO.

 

[shogun32]

Would you sacrifice your children/grandchildren to a Chinese-engineered bioweapon of a virus? Sounds like you might.

The People's Republic of China give you great thanks for your decision.

you are aware that Dr. FraudXi himself FINANCED the Wuhan lab and it's research? We were doing the same Gain-of-Function crap they were doing except Obama told the NIH/DoD to cut it out. So Fauci just outsourced it to the Chinese like we've outsourced everything else. He KNEW that lab was a calamity just waiting to happen. They had been repeatedly written up by the international community for carelessness and untrained staff.

Whether or not it was a bio-weapon or innocent attempt at curating a Vax for Sars/Mers/Wu-Flu is immaterial. That lab's documented incompetence lead to a release and the Chinese did NOTHING to own their fuck-up nor contain it. Like all Communists (well, all governments actually, ours included) they lied and obfuscated. Worse they arguably deliberately spread it far and wide - malice? or just mind-boggling incompetence? Pick one.

Has anyone noticed that not only are the various international vaccines banned in China, their rollout of their 5 domestics is damn slow? And how they aren't publishing squat for safety nor efficacy? Makes you wanna 'hmmmm'.

 

[Super-Genius]

I have to laugh at the fucktards in here that think using Google and YouTube until they find something they agree with is "research" . Then they come on a car forum to discuss shit they don't really understand because they can get validation from some other assclown that's just as ignorant.

 

[Burkey]

I dunno bout only voting “if you own land”, but I think to vote you should at least have some tax liability...skin in the game, as it were.

this whole 40-something percent pays no taxes but gets to vote where the money goes (by choosing their candidate) is only gonna get worse, IMHO.

Sounds great in theory.
Right up until someone clever realises that if they raise the tax threshold high enough, the top 10-20% can dictate to the bottom 80-90%.
But how does the country run off the back of the taxes of only 10-20% of the people you may well ask...
Well, a smart person would drop minimum wages for every job, ensuring that the profits were then larger for those at the top (Lower wages = larger profits) and manipulate the tax brackets accordingly.
It’s right about then that those who wished for such laws might suddenly find themselves on the receiving end of it.

Be very careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

 

[raptor17GT]

you are aware that Dr. FraudXi himself FINANCED the Wuhan lab and it's research? We were doing the same Gain-of-Function crap they were doing except Obama told the NIH/DoD to cut it out. So Fauci just outsourced it to the Chinese like we've outsourced everything else. He KNEW that lab was a calamity just waiting to happen. They had been repeatedly written up by the international community for carelessness and untrained staff.

Whether or not it was a bio-weapon or innocent attempt at curating a Vax for Sars/Mers/Wu-Flu is immaterial. That lab's documented incompetence lead to a release and the Chinese did NOTHING to own their fuck-up nor contain it. Like all Communists (well, all governments actually, ours included) they lied and obfuscated. Worse they arguably deliberately spread it far and wide - malice? or just mind-boggling incompetence? Pick one.

Has anyone noticed that not only are the various international vaccines banned in China, their rollout of their 5 domestics is damn slow? And how they aren't publishing squat for safety nor efficacy? Makes you wanna 'hmmmm'.

Didn't America finance a few labs overseas as that's how you gain localised knowledge? That and when it goes wrong it's not in your own back garden, ooops.

mm China banning imports, breaking news there eh? Why look for a story when there isn't one.

The reason China isn't rushing a roll out of vaccinations is because they do mass testing and local lockdowns when they discover a covid19 carrier. Entire cities locked down and everyone tested, 11million in a week or so. Until that testing is complete, it's stay at home unless attending a test site. In China, unlike everywhere else in the world, stay at means stay the fck at home or else. That's why they were able to open up so quickly and mostly remain open because any new outbreak is dealt with in double quick time with folks carrying the virus isolated from everyone else. Brutal but simple.

Vaccinations in UK and Israel seem to be turning the tide, only a few reports of vaccinated people licking their eyeballs but we seem to be reducing the daily infections and hospital admissions by a fair margin. Time will tell but the rest of Europe which isn't vaccinating is going into further harder lockdowns to try control infection.

* of course do we really believe everything that comes out of China is actually the truth, even a little bit. Jury is out on that

 

[Rinzler]

For those concerned about perceived efficacy rates, here's a great video explaining why that may not really be the best number to use to determine which vaccine you should opt for.

 

[raptor17GT]

ahahahahaha, Nature it seems it not short of humour. War of the Worlds was a warning from the future it seems.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56483445

 

[raptor17GT]

fixed to use double capitals.

oft, you're not changing your story now that more pertinent facts have been established are you? Imagine if other folks did that too. World chaos and a never ending pool of misinformation

 

[ctandc72]

It's interesting to note that some people simply stop any attempt at an honest conversation about a subject (COVID / Vaccines in this case) when the other person disagrees with them. A wise person, many years ago, told me that when someone starts making personal jabs at you - they've run out of facts or intelligent content to add to the discussion, so in essence the conversation itself is over.

Hospitals lost BILLIONS of dollars when COVID lockdowns froze many "Elective" procedures. (Elective was in quotes, because many people don't understand just how many very important procedures were severely restricted or stopped altogether for many months in some places.).

That caused many hospitals to actually lay-off or reduce the hours of a lot of their medical staff - including doctors and nurses. This was happening right about the time the media was trumpeting how emergency rooms were "overloaded" because of COVID.

Anyone here ever been to an emergency room, before COVID, at busy regional or urban hospital? So they weren't busy before? I'm not saying that COVID didn't increase this impact, but anyone arguing that the media doesn't drive fear and hysteria is disingenuous at best and flat out ignorant at worst. It's literally how they profit.

It's not a conspiracy theory - follow the money. You don't have to be right in today's "news" cycle, you simply have to be first. Welcome to the impatient, TLDR society.

Just one example in "Let's play follow the money"

Patient on Medicare comes into a hospital with pneumonia (unrelated to COVID) the diagnosis related lump sum payment is $5000. If that pneumonia is caused by COVID - that payment goes to $13000.

That's not a conspiracy theory. It's fact.

Did you know that some states list only laboratory confirmed positive COVID cases, as COVID patients, and other states list all PRESUMED cases..........

Straight from the CDC:

" Coronavirus disease deaths are identified using the ICD–10 code U07.1. Deaths are coded to U07.1 when coronavirus disease 2019 or COVID-19 are reported as a cause that contributed to death on the death certificate. These can include laboratory confirmed cases, as well as cases without laboratory confirmation. If the certifier suspects COVID-19 or determines it was likely (e.g., the circumstances were compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), they can report COVID-19 as “probable” or “presumed” on the death certificate."

I didn't say COVID wasn't real. I didn't say that COVID doesn't and hasn't killed people. I'm simply showing FACTS that it would be very easy for cash-strapped hospitals to get extra reimbursement from the Federal Government by following CDC Guidelines in some cases.

Pointing out FACTS, pointing out laws and regulations that could be used for profit (or even to offset losses as the case may be) is not some idiotic conspiracy theory. It's not some bid for world control, it's not some grand scheme to take over society............it's about MONEY. As long as humans are involved you can't get away from that inconvenient fact.

 

[Bikeman315]

It's interesting to note that some people simply stop any attempt at an honest conversation about a subject (COVID / Vaccines in this case) when the other person disagrees with them. A wise person, many years ago, told me that when someone starts making personal jabs at you - they've run out of facts or intelligent content to add to the discussion, so in essence the conversation itself is over.

Hospitals lost BILLIONS of dollars when COVID lockdowns froze many "Elective" procedures. (Elective was in quotes, because many people don't understand just how many very important procedures were severely restricted or stopped altogether for many months in some places.).

That caused many hospitals to actually lay-off or reduce the hours of a lot of their medical staff - including doctors and nurses. This was happening right about the time the media was trumpeting how emergency rooms were "overloaded" because of COVID.

Anyone here ever been to an emergency room, before COVID, at busy regional or urban hospital? So they weren't busy before? I'm not saying that COVID didn't increase this impact, but anyone arguing that the media doesn't drive fear and hysteria is disingenuous at best and flat out ignorant at worst. It's literally how they profit.

It's not a conspiracy theory - follow the money. You don't have to be right in today's "news" cycle, you simply have to be first. Welcome to the impatient, TLDR society.

Just one example in "Let's play follow the money"

Patient on Medicare comes into a hospital with pneumonia (unrelated to COVID) the diagnosis related lump sum payment is $5000. If that pneumonia is caused by COVID - that payment goes to $13000.

That's not a conspiracy theory. It's fact.

Did you know that some states list only laboratory confirmed positive COVID cases, as COVID patients, and other states list all PRESUMED cases..........

Straight from the CDC:

" Coronavirus disease deaths are identified using the ICD–10 code U07.1. Deaths are coded to U07.1 when coronavirus disease 2019 or COVID-19 are reported as a cause that contributed to death on the death certificate. These can include laboratory confirmed cases, as well as cases without laboratory confirmation. If the certifier suspects COVID-19 or determines it was likely (e.g., the circumstances were compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), they can report COVID-19 as “probable” or “presumed” on the death certificate."

I didn't say COVID wasn't real. I didn't say that COVID doesn't and hasn't killed people. I'm simply showing FACTS that it would be very easy for cash-strapped hospitals to get extra reimbursement from the Federal Government by following CDC Guidelines in some cases.

Pointing out FACTS, pointing out laws and regulations that could be used for profit (or even to offset losses as the case may be) is not some idiotic conspiracy theory. It's not some bid for world control, it's not some grand scheme to take over society............it's about MONEY. As long as humans are involved you can't get away from that inconvenient fact.

Your points are well made. But real mistakes were made too. I had one in my family. Death listed a Covid when it wasn't. It took awhile to clear it up but the death certificate was changed. Errors did/do happen.

I also have a friend who is a hospital administrator. Yes, there were deaths indicated as Covid if the virus was present even if there was an underlying condition. Example, a man dies and the cause is listed as Covid. He had heart disease. But the virus exacerbated the heart disease and therefore was listed as Covid.

He also told me that guidance from the Federal government would have been extremely helpful. Local and state governments were left on their own and, as such, may have come to different conclusions for the same situation. But that time is over and done. The damage is done but we move forward. I just wish that those who are not considering getting the virus for "anti" reasons would just speak to a trusted doctor and then make a decision.

 

[shogun32]

oft, you're not changing your story now that more pertinent facts have been established are you? Imagine if other folks did that too.

I follow the data. HONEST data.

 

[CJJon]

Hello; Yes, this may make the situation much more clear. May I assume you and /or your company have in some way a financial incentive involving the vaccines? Let me include a very broad range of possible incentives and not just a personal paycheck.

If you and/or your company do not gain in any way at all from the vaccines, here is the chance to explain and stop further such questions.

There you go again making assumptions. Already did, many posts back. I have no real or apparent conflicts of interest from any commercial entity. I actually work for a large non-profit health care organization.

 

[raptor17GT]

I follow the data. HONEST data.

but you didn't know the difference between mm and MM and yet somehow you understand complex medical data??? Dude, whatevers.

 

[Rinzler]

I follow the data. HONEST data.

Who decides what is honest? It's just as easy to post a fake article that looks real, or create a pseudo opinion with lots of medical words and simple logic for people to follow.

If my life is on the line, and there's an accredited doctor and a guy with a laptop and YouTube telling me everything the doctor is saying is questionable, I'm going to go with the doctor, every time.

I always ask people, "Do you feel like you know how to do your job?" Usually, they say they do their job well and can do their bosses job better than they can. I then ask, "What if someone came off the street, walked to your desk, popped open a YouTube video and a few articles from some fringe sites and started telling you how to do your job?" Usually, there is much aversion to that scenario.

No doubt this is complex stuff especially since our understanding of the human body and how it all works is still pretty surface for the most part. But that doesn't mean you start doubting all the people who have spent their lives doing the work because it's less convenient for your narrative. That's dishonest at best and malicious at worst.

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