Covid Shots

[CJJon]

It’s a real possibility. The vaccine has the ability to block certain function of the immune system function. A virus by definition exploits holes.



Keynote speaker from a recent cdc conference. Start at 30:30 for a short recap.

What we are doing has never been done before in the history of viruses or humanity. Don’t expect covid to go down without a fight.

Keynote at a CDC conference? Which one?

Of note his writings and this presentation lack any proof of foundational research. None would pass peer review. It isn’t real research.

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[kz]

Hello; Yes the second injection was Moderna. If you have a reaction as I did you will not feel like doing much of anything once the side effects kick in.

Thanks - I am planning for it then. (I am 45 and really in shape so hope for maybe little less severe reaction but still will try to account for it). Appreciate the response.

 

[BlackandBlue]

Ohio. Also on the description on YouTube.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/events/meetings-conferences.html#mar-21

There is nothing to peer review. He is posing the possibility that this virus could do the same thing as the 1918 flu in its evolution. The second wave went after the young. His idea is that the second wave could also do the same thing but the vaccine could also damage the immunity of the naturally immune people. His point being vaccinating during a pandemic gives the virus to many opportunities to learn the vaccine and exploit a large pool of modified people.

But this is just some guy’s expert opinion. No one really knows how this vaccine is going to pressure this virus to mutate.

Ohio. Also on the description on YouTube.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/events/meetings-conferences.html#mar-21

There is nothing to peer review. He is posing the possibility that this virus could do the same thing as the 1918 flu in its evolution. The second wave went after the young. His idea is that the second wave could also do the same thing but the vaccine could also damage the immunity of the naturally immune people. His point being vaccinating during a pandemic gives the virus to many opportunities to learn the vaccine and exploit a large pool of modified people.

But this is just some guy’s expert opinion. No one really knows how this vaccine is going to pressure this virus to mutate.

It wasn't a CDC conference, and he wasn't a keynote speaker. It was the Vaccines Summit in Ohio and he was just a regular speaker.

I'm not going to act like I fully know the ins and out of vaccine epidemiology as I never learned about epidemiology or viruses at a higher level. I wouldn't consider someone whose last published a paper since the 90s (can't even tell if its really him, so there maybe no papers at all) a leading expert in the field. You can believe what you want I guess, I'd rather get my information from someone more credible before I jump on the hype train but that's just me. COVID isn't the only "leaky" vaccine out there.

I am presenting my research at a conference later this year and have gone through an entirely different process for my presentation. Different type of conference I guess.

There were other speakers at the conference so I wonder what they all had to say.

You are correct I misspoke. Summit.

I am not on any train except the wait and see train. I am not eligible yet anyways so it really doesn’t matter. My whole entire piont is we know very little about that we are doing and anyone that says we do is lying.

Covid is the first leaky vaccine we will use during a novel virus pandemic. That’s a fact.

 

[sk47]

Hello; Well I am feeling some better. Took something for the headache and nasal congestion. Had a couple of naps. Still not feeling good.

Since I logged out a few hours ago you guys have been busy. I will not try to catch up on everything but will mention a couple. First is the hydroxychloroquine drug. It has been my understanding the failed trials with that drug were from when it was used on patients with more advanced covid19 disease. Patients already at deaths door so to speak. It is my understanding the drug has been better effective when given early in an infection.

Also President Trump did take a course of hydroxychloroquine at one point.

Lastly on hydroxychloroquine and other such treatments. One of the reasons I decided to go ahead and take a vaccine was because of the way rules were made which stopped doctors from prescribing that particular drug. I figured there might be good treatments but the chances of my getting them did not seem good.

About my comments on skipping the second dose of a vaccine. The more I think about it the stronger that option seems a decent one. I was a biology teacher and did teach AP Biology in High School. This does not make me an expert, but I do have some background. The coronal family of virus have external "spikes" of proteins which are of unique shapes to each strain. For example the common cold is a corona virus. Well over one Hundred different individual common cold virus last I knew about them. You can get each one which is why you can catch a cold over and over. You do not catch the same one over and over again.
Once you have been infected with a virus it starts taking over body cells. After a while the body learns the shape of those external spikes and begins to make antibodies tailored to know that particular virus and attach to it's external spikes. The antibodies attaching to a virus is one way the virus is defeated. There are other things going on.

There is a reason it takes two weeks to fight off a cold. Some of the early time is spent by the body in figuring out the new invader and ramping up targeted defenses. It takes time to first recognize the virus and then to make specific antibodies. If you survive that first infection the body keeps a pattern of the particular virus. Then when you are infected with that virus again the body is ready to make the antibodies right away. The virus is stopped quickly. You may not even know you were infected again.

As I figure most know a vaccine is a mechanism to start the immune system response without you getting ill from the virus. There are some traditional methods and the new method currently being used to make the current vaccines. What am I leading up to?

I do not know if the second dose of Moderna vaccine is different than the first dose. What strikes me is the strong reaction to the second dose. The second dose will be loaded with particles close enough to the shape of the real virus so an immune system reaction will be had. My thinking is the first shot had enough such shaped vaccine particles so that the body had made antibodies and had the pattern already in place. I took the first shot a month ago and the second yesterday. The strong and quick reaction to the second dose leads me to think I already had an immune system response in place.

What am I getting at? I suspect that had I become infected with the covid19 "wild" virus yesterday my body would have been primed and ready to start fighting the invading virus. The reaction would start in hours and not take several days, So that I likely could have a mild or asymptomatic case with just the one dose. Milder because the antibodies would working sooner and before the virus had the chance to infect as many body cells. In an unvaccinated person the virus gets to run rampant for many days before the immune system can kick in.
If such is proven to be correct then twice as many could be vaccinated with the available supply.

Starting to feel warm again but not as much as last night. Will report tomorrow on how I am doing. So far the more lingering effects are the body soreness and the stuffy headache.

 

[Burkey]

taking an experimental medical injection that has PROVEN NO sterilizing effect, has not been tested on anyone old or even health compromised, for a 'disease' that is 99.9+% survivable without any medical assistance whatsoever, that has a multitude of KNOWN PROVEN prophylactic and treatment protocols, is MY definition of pure insanity.

You want to be an unpaid, uninformed phase-3 trial lab rat, you go right ahead. It's a free country.

Given that we aren’t allowed to discuss politics in this forum, I won’t.
However, I do recall a prominent person who espoused the virtues of HCQ and took it himself as a prophylactic.
Strangely, he became infected and when they treated him, they didn‘t administer HCQ in his course of treatment.
Given a sample size of one, we can hardly regard this as any sort of trial, but it does certainly make for an interesting thought experiment.

What are your thoughts on crystals?

 

[Burkey]

The annual flue is far more deadly and it kills innocent children and youngsters. And has been for hundreds of years. Somewhere around 40-50% of the population was already immune to this bug back in mid-autumn 2019 , MONTHS before it supposedly even showed up on USA shores. We've got the evidence in blood banks. That should be un-possible, yes?


If you find yourself on a respirator you have been subjected to malicious medical mal-practice.


Asymptomatic transmission has been refuted. And anyway with >99.9% survival rates this is not something that healthy people have any reason to concern themselves with. If you're sick, don't go around spreading it. Just like you'd do if you have a cold or flu. Healthy people don't give a shit about sick people. If you're sick, that's your problem, not ours.

I’d you could please cite the authors, date and title of the peer-reviewed paper whereupon asymptomatic transmission of SARS-Cov-2 was proven to be a complete hoax, I’d be very interested to read it.

 

[Cobra Jet]

I’ve read many responses in this thread and since it’s already been derailed....

I’m standing in front of those who believe they are Gods with Superduper Immune systems and those who think there’s some planetary conspiracy by Govts, Scientists, Health Systems and “know it alls”. I have a Petri dish with live COVID19 virii swarming within it. Would you willfully lick that Petri dish clean to bet your life and your immune system that you won’t be infected at all and won’t become another death certificate statistic?

Would those who fall into the above “superhuman” bucket willfully injest COVID19 - it’s a yes or no answer.

 

[fastergt350]

I’ve read many responses in this thread and since it’s already been derailed....

I’m standing in front of those who believe they are Gods with Superduper Immune systems and those who think there’s some planetary conspiracy by Govts, Scientists, Health Systems and “know it alls”. I have a Petri dish with live COVID19 virii swarming within it. Would you willfully lick that Petri dish clean to bet your life and your immune system that you won’t be infected at all and won’t become another death certificate statistic?

Would those who fall into the above “superhuman” bucket willfully injest COVID19 - it’s a yes or no answer.

Hell No, even I have had both shots. I believe in better safe than sorry.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

I do not know if the second dose of Moderna vaccine is different than the first dose. What strikes me is the strong reaction to the second dose. The second dose will be loaded with particles close enough to the shape of the real virus so an immune system reaction will be had.

The second dose is the same composition but greater amount of it.

FWIW, there was an instance where a batch of the first dose had less of it than it was supposed to have. The official solution was to just add extra to those people's second dose and no harm, no foul.

 

[kz]

Would those who fall into the above “superhuman” bucket willfully injest COVID19 - it’s a yes or no answer.

They're all brave on the internet, as always. Don't ask rhetorical questions ;-)

 

[Burkey]

Keynote at a CDC conference? Which one?

Of note his writings and this presentation lack any proof of foundational research. None would pass peer review. It isn’t real research.

As always, it pays to do even the most basic of research into the person making the claims. Or perhaps to do a google search for the work they’ve published in the past. It’s really not that hard.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.thefocus.news/health-and-fitness/geert-vanden-bossche/amp/

https://scholar.google.com.au/schol...+articles&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

 

[sk47]

Hello; Feeling better this morning. Some lingering body soreness but not much. So a determined person could function after 24 hours, but probably best to have 48 hours after the second shot.

I have no good insight about the controversial aspects of the disaster this virus has generated. It is another situation where we have to make decisions based on insufficient evidence. I do not know if the vaccines are going to be safe long term. Could be as with other medications some unexpected effect shows up later in time. Being 73, I had to decide more on short term considerations. The virus is real and more dangerous for older people.
There is also the political football sort of side show that rose up along with the virus. Too many in positions of influence having an impact on critical decisions. Regardless of which side or sides a person tends to agree with , it is clear there are a few sides with agendas. It also seems it some cases the agendas are more important than public health. I want to have faith in the doctors I go to for treatment, but doctors are not making all the decisions. Too many top down decrees which tie a doctors hands.
This would be more acceptable if those at the top had not changed their tunes so many times. The classic is the way individuals have changed their declarations about the wearing of a face mask.

From a species point of view it is better that not all do the very same thing in the face of a new danger. Time will tell which decision was the better or even a wash. Those who take the vaccines may wind up worse off. Those refusing the vaccines may wind up worse off. I suppose it could be a mix of outcomes. But with regard to the vaccines there ought to be some who do not take it. That way if some unexpected side effect does show up there will be an unaffected group. The young seem to be doing good with the virus. If I were young I would not have taken the vaccine.
As it stands now there are many tens of thousands who have contracted the virus and recovered. Those folks do not need to take a vaccine as they will have time proven natural immunity.
If I were making decisions every one would get an antibody test before taking a vaccine. That way those with an already primed immune response do not use up a dose they do not need.

 

[K4fxd]

Strangely, he became infected and when they treated him, they didn‘t administer HCQ in his course of treatment.

I do believe said person said he took the HCQ when he was infected.

 

[K4fxd]

Would those who fall into the above “superhuman” bucket willfully injest COVID19 - it’s a yes or no answer.

I'm not super human so no I wouldn't willingly ingest any virus.

However I did have the covid and it was nothing but a mild cold for me, so I am willing to stop all this nonsense and get back to normal life.

I believe we should treat this like any other virus. If we are sick we should stay home. If we are in the vulnerable demographic we should take precautions. Locking down the world is not the answer.

 

[CJJon]

The second dose is the same composition but greater amount of it.

FWIW, there was an instance where a batch of the first dose had less of it than it was supposed to have. The official solution was to just add extra to those people's second dose and no harm, no foul.

Dosage and composition is the same for both shots.

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