Carbon Wheel Experience Regarding Damage

[Tomster]

I'm assuming yes, but do the CF and base wheels have the same clearance?

I have not seen a base wheel. I was only interested in the CF wheels due to the track pack I have on order. Again, the only reason I would take mine off is for street due to the caliper clearance and potential damage.

I have already damaged a CF wheel, and if I can avoid that whole pain in the ass, I will do so. To be blunt, if I am driving my new 500 CFTP on the street to the point that I can realize the difference between CF and forged aluminum wheels, I'm probably going to go to jail. In my line of work, that would be detrimental.

Thanks for everyone's opinions, I'll save my CF wheels for the track.

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[PP0001]

I don't see how you could assert that. What is the percentage of R owners who are members of this board? If you have THAT number and then count the number of forum members who have posted about broken wheels, only THEN could you hope to make any guess as to overall failure rates.

There are a mere 36,249 members on this board out of 524,000 Mustangs sold since 2015. So you could say at most 7% of owners are members here. If you extrapolate to Shelby owners it might be as high as 10% because of self-selection. My guess, the failure rates are between 1.5 and 3 percent but could easily be higher. I realize the 60+ year olds are taking over FaceBook but folks with $$$ for Shelbys are not exactly the 'digital' generation by any stretch.

What data have you got to back up your failure rate percentage of 1.5% to 3% and possibly higher?

Obviously none and yes you are guessing at these numbers without question.

Secondly, I find it interesting but mostly hilarious that you would challenge without question the most qualified individual when it comes to seat time regarding our 2 seat Mustang models with respect to CF wheels/Cup 2 tires whether it be on the track or on the streets where most of us spend pretty much the majority of our time.

Here we have a very highly qualified, experienced and intellectual individual that does not have to reach out to any of us on our forum but does so in the spirit of trying to help us all understand the attributes of CF wheels and Cup 2 tires that come standard on our R models and CFTP cars which many of us applaud and appreciate a great deal.

BTW, have you ever owned or even driven an R model on the street or track in order to experience the attributes of CF wheels or Cup 2 tires?

I certainly have both on the track and on the street experience and can fully understand and comprehend what BJR is conveying to all of us and want to be very clear that I do not profess to being anything close to his talent level but have been around Mustang for over 50 years and intelligent enough to know and comprehend/appreciate his outstanding experience and feedback.

Carry on as you seem to have all of the answers without the least bit of qualified background in order to back up your claims and unlike a few others on this forum don't expect any further responses back from me based on your posts being a total waste of time and effort.

 

[Snoopy49]

I was looking through the scheduled list and only found 4 VINs that were CFTP cars, the list is collected from three different GT500 forums.

 

[kilobravo]

Earl: I actually counted the listings as well this morning. There are a couple three that don't list Base or CFTP, however. In any event, the ratio is not even close to Ford's 1 out of 4. If this is indicative of the larger market, it would seem that Ford may have out-priced themselves on those two options.

 

[Snoopy49]

Earl: I actually counted the listings as well this morning. There are a couple three that don't list Base or CFTP, however. In any event, the ratio is not even close to Ford's 1 out of 4. If this is indicative of the larger market, it would seem that Ford may have out-priced themselves on those two options.

The only VINs that don't have a description of the cars are factory orders, 001, 030 & 0131 are Carbon Fiber Track Pack cars and 097 is a Base car.. You can't factor in the factory ordered car, the majority (24-6) of the first 30 production cars were CFTP car

 

[kilobravo]

Thanks, bro.

 

[inspecto]

With all due respect, Billy, not everyone who buys a Shelby plans to go to the track and frankly, I resent being told I have "no clue." I GET carbon wheels and was merely breaching the subject of carbon wheel damage.

I won't be bypassing any experiences despite no interest in road courses and I will enjoy my vehicle every bit as much as anyone else.

boy, kilobravo chill out.

 

[Tomster]

boy, kilobravo chill out.

KB is right. You'd have to be on a track to realize the kind of performance differences that others have spoke of. I wouldn't have come in so hard and fast over a street wheel. That is of course if my wheel was damaged, I'd get a replacement like it was nothing.

Been there, done that. Fixing a CF wheel is not fun. All for what? CF wheels on the street? Part of the car that is irreplaceable? Guess what..... A jack and 30 minutes of your time and you go from forged wheels to CF. It is much more a royal pain in the ass to get your CF wheel fixed.

 

[dsz blade]

Earl: I actually counted the listings as well this morning. There are a couple three that don't list Base or CFTP, however. In any event, the ratio is not even close to Ford's 1 out of 4. If this is indicative of the larger market, it would seem that Ford may have out-priced themselves on those two options.

While expensive, perhaps it isn’t Ford that priced themselves out but the ADM? A large NOVA dealer told me they wanted 50k mark up on a CFTP car. 100k is rough but 150k but a mustang is way too much.

 

[BillyJRacing]

KB is right. You'd have to be on a track to realize the kind of performance differences that others have spoke of. I wouldn't have come in so hard and fast over a street wheel. That is of course if my wheel was damaged, I'd get a replacement like it was nothing.

Been there, done that. Fixing a CF wheel is not fun. All for what? CF wheels on the street? Part of the car that is irreplaceable? Guess what..... A jack and 30 minutes of your time and you go from forged wheels to CF. It is much more a royal pain in the ass to get your CF wheel fixed.

Ok, now that you've said this twice in a row, I need to point out that you clearly do not read my posts, because I have said multiple times in multiple posts, and will clearly state it again, that:

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE ON TRACK TO FEEL THE BENEFIT OF CARBON WHEELS.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE A PROFESSIONAL OR EVEN EXPERIENCED DRIVER TO FEEL THE BENEFIT OF CARBON WHEELS.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO DRIVE ANYWHERE NEAR THE LIMIT, OR AT ILLEGAL SPEEDS OR DO UNSAFE CORNERING TO FEEL THE BENEFIT OF CARBON WHEELS.

Stop spreading misinformation.

 

[Tomster]

Ok, now that you've said this twice in a row, I need to point out that you clearly do not read my posts, because I have said multiple times in multiple posts, and will clearly state it again, that:

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE ON TRACK TO FEEL THE BENEFIT OF CARBON WHEELS.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE A PROFESSIONAL OR EVEN EXPERIENCED DRIVER TO FEEL THE BENEFIT OF CARBON WHEELS.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO DRIVE ANYWHERE NEAR THE LIMIT, OR AT ILLEGAL SPEEDS OR DO UNSAFE CORNERING TO FEEL THE BENEFIT OF CARBON WHEELS.

Stop spreading misinformation.

Billy,

There is no misinformation. It is more a form of risk management for us common folk who have a lack of means to reach into our pockets and shell out enough money (which would be enough for other common folk to eat for a month) to repair a wheel due to road debris damgae.

You keep saying that nobody reads your article. I did and I agree with it. However I don't see a practical reason to run around the street on a wheel with minimal caliper clearance that screams of damage waiting to happen. How about you and your carbon revolutions pals promise to replace or repair damage to wheels caused by road debris? No? I didn't think so.

You are legend. I am a fan. However you keep coming across like this and I don't care how much of a great driver you are.

We (the common folk) sure as hell will have a hard time reaching into our pockets to replace a damaged wheel all for the sake of what? The street?

I've been through the spider composites repair scenario. I put my best face on it and if I can avoid that route again, i will do everything I can to do so.

Forged wheels for the street and carbon fiber for the track.

Take care

 

[BillyJRacing]

Billy,

There is no misinformation. It is more a form of risk management for us common folk who have a lack of means to reach into our pockets and shell out enough money (which would be enough for other common folk to eat for a month) to repair a wheel due to road debris damgae.

You keep saying that nobody reads your article. I did and I agree with it. However I don't see a practical reason to run around the street on a wheel with minimal caliper clearance that screams of damage waiting to happen. How about you and your carbon revolutions pals promise to replace or repair damage to wheels caused by road debris? No? I didn't think so.

You are legend. I am a fan. However you keep coming across like this and I don't care how much of a great driver you are.

We (the common folk) sure as hell will have a hard time reaching into our pockets to replace a damaged wheel all for the sake of what? The street?

I've been through the spider composites repair scenario. I put my best face on it and if I can avoid that route again, i will do everything I can to do so.

Forged wheels for the street and carbon fiber for the track.

Take care

I've already aknowledged some of your concerns for replacing the wheels on the street have validity. I'm not arguing those points.

Having said that, I do really appreciate your support, but with all due respect, your recent posts suggest that you didn't read and agree with my statements (in the article or many of my posts on here) -that you can feel the benefits when driving normally on the street. If you did, you wouldn't keep spreading misinformation with statements like: "you would have to break the law to feel a benefit on the street" or "you can only tell a difference on a track".

You seem to be focusing on something I'm not disagreeing with you on, rather than the attempted blantant clarification of the misinformation. You seem to try to further justify not running CF wheels on the street because you won't feel a difference on the street. THAT is what I'm disagreeing with.

I admit I am not doing an effective job at conveying the difference to you and I apologise that I am not sure how to be more clear. At this point I really don't have anything more to add. I'm happy to hear you are interested in tracking your cf wheels. Maybe I'll see you at a track day

 

[Tomster]

I've already aknowledged some of your concerns for replacing the wheels on the street have validity. I'm not arguing those points.

Having said that, I do really appreciate your support, but with all due respect, your recent posts suggest that you didn't read and agree with my statements (in the article or many of my posts on here) -that you can feel the benefits when driving normally on the street. If you did, you wouldn't keep spreading misinformation with statements like: "you would have to break the law to feel a benefit on the street" or "you can only tell a difference on a track".

You seem to be focusing on something I'm not disagreeing with you on, rather than the attempted blantant clarification of the misinformation. You seem to try to further justify not running CF wheels on the street because you won't feel a difference on the street. THAT is what I'm disagreeing with.

I admit I am not doing an effective job at conveying the difference to you and I apologise that I am not sure how to be more clear. At this point I really don't have anything more to add. I'm happy to hear you are interested in tracking your cf wheels. Maybe I'll see you at a track day

Fair enough. I get what your saying. I track my CF wheels for good reason. I don't put them in a corner nor do they make conversation pieces as end tables. They are a tool for a specific task.

Stop by Daytona. December 6-8. Blue garage #9. I'd be happy to hand over the keys. Who could pass that up?

 

[Tomster]

Maybe my language could have been a bit more refined. I'm sure you could tell the difference on the street, but the inherent risk of CF with road debris..... is it worth it?

I get it. Why buy a car with such performance charicteristics and not fully take advantage of it? In a perfect world, who wouldn't ride around on CF wheels all day long? Given the choice, I would.

Nobody, (and I mean nobody) is saying that forged aluminum wheels are superior. It simply comes down to a risk analysis (street vs track driving). Repair is costly and replacement is worse. That's all.

No hard feelings.

 

[Jmeo]

I can agree with both of you. Myself like many others, will never see a track and could really care less if I can feel a difference with CF wheels while turning into Dunkin Donuts to get my iced coffee fix. I think the fact that we are lucky that Ford has chosen to make them available on a MUSTANG is simply great. I have no doubt they will make a nice difference on a track. I also have no doubt they will make no difference, other than a feeing, on the street. I think replacing them with aluminum wheels for street use is a very smart decision, and one that will make no difference in outcome of street driving. Cup2's on a forged wheel will be outstanding on the street, and keep the CF wheels safe as long as possible. Aluminum by day, CF by night is a win, win.

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