3160 swap

[Bigj5.0]

Hi, I have a 2019 mustang gt with the mt82. Recently my 3rd gear shift fork broke and I was thinking about swapping a 3160 from a 2021 Mach 1 in the car. From what I’ve seen my mcleod rst clutch is the same as the mach1 so it seems I’ll only have to change drive shaft and a shifter and maybe figure out the cooler. I also want to keep my active rev match and the Mach 1’s have that feature and from what I hear the have the same sensor for the feature. If anyone has done the swap I’d like some advice before I got though with it.

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[NGOT8R]

Looking forward to hearing how this shakes out if/when you do the swap. Hopefully it’ll be an easy swap. A few questions do come to mind though.

1. Is the M1 tranny 23 or 26 spline? If it’s the latter, then your McLeod will need to be upgraded to accept the larger splined input shaft (which isn’t a bad thing because at the very least, it’ll give you some insight as to how well the clutch was holding up to your driving style and whether a leap to the RXT would be more beneficial to you).

2. Is the sensor on the M1 tranny the same as the one on the MT82-D4? If not, would it be as simple as acquiring an M1 transmission wiring harness, depinning the D4 harness and the M1 wiring harness from their respective connectors and plugging the pins from the D4 harness into the M1 connector for as close as you can get to a plug and play setup?

3. Will a tune be required to allow the speedo to track properly since the gears are different in the two trannies?

4. If the above three things need to be done, will it be a cost effective swap compared to a rebuild, once you total everything up?

 

[shogun32]

If anyone has done the swap

Nope. You're the first.

 

[NGOT8R]

A cost comparison and review from those who’ve done it would be a nice touch to this thread. In addition, I wonder what the weaknesses are in the 3160? There must be some, as Calimer now offers upgrades for it as well. I would think most people seeking the 3160 are road racers. Regardless, being able to handle 750 hp as the OP has said, suggests that there’s plenty of room in reserve for most. I couldn’t imagine being able to effectively put down much more power than that on track without dealing with other issues (like losing control due to an overwhelming amount of power).

If he hasn’t done so already, the OP may want to reach out to Calimer and inquire about the 3160’s capabilities and weaknesses to see what he says. After all, free information can always prove to be beneficial.

 

[Bigj5.0]

Looking forward to hearing how this shakes out if/when you do the swap. Hopefully it’ll be an easy swap. A few questions do come to mind though.

1. Is the M1 tranny 23 or 26 spline? If it’s the latter, then your McLeod will need to be upgraded to accept the larger splined input shaft (which isn’t a bad thing because at the very least, it’ll give you some insight as to how well the clutch was holding up to your driving style and whether a leap to the RXT would be more beneficial to you).

2. Is the sensor on the M1 tranny the same as the one on the MT82-D4? If not, would it be as simple as acquiring an M1 transmission wiring harness, depinning the D4 harness and the M1 wiring harness from their respective connectors and plugging the pins from the D4 harness into the M1 connector for as close as you can get to a plug and play setup?

3. Will a tune be required to allow the speedo to track properly since the gears are different in the two trannies?

4. If the above three things need to be done, will it be a cost effective swap compared to a rebuild, once you total everything up?

So ik the 3160 has a 23 spline input and per McLeod the rst I have also goes into the mach1 also my tuner can tune for the new gear ratios in the 3160 the speed sensor is the same but I can’t figure if the gear position sensor is the same I doubt they’d change the whole harness I’m just not sure I would love to keep the rev match if possible because the mach 1s have it

 

[Bigj5.0]

A cost comparison and review from those who’ve done it would be a nice touch to this thread. In addition, I wonder what the weaknesses are in the 3160? There must be some, as Calimer now offers upgrades for it as well. I would think most people seeking the 3160 are road racers. Regardless, being able to handle 750 hp as the OP has said, suggests that there’s plenty of room in reserve for most. I couldn’t imagine being able to effectively put down much more power than that on track without dealing with other issues (like losing control due to an overwhelming amount of power).

If he hasn’t done so already, the OP may want to reach out to Calimer and inquire about the 3160’s capabilities and weaknesses to see what he says. After all, free information can always prove to be beneficial.

From what I’ve seen I would only need the trans driveshaft and shifter, I can get a brand new 3160 from ford for 2400 and the mgw and dss ds is only 1600 all together also I’m not sure if the mach1 has a cooler or if I can get a one without it

 

[NGOT8R]

So ik the 3160 has a 23 spline input and per McLeod the rst I have also goes into the mach1 also my tuner can tune for the new gear ratios in the 3160 the speed sensor is the same but I can’t figure if the gear position sensor is the same I doubt they’d change the whole harness I’m just not sure I would love to keep the rev match if possible because the mach 1s have it

Hopefully this thread will gain some traction from others who’ve done this swap. There’s definitely a reason why Ford has added it to the M1 and the Darkhorse.

 

[silverbullet85]

Unless you're dead set on doing the swap just to do say you've done it then I would just get a ben calimer built mt82.

 

[Bigj5.0]

Unless you're dead set on doing the swap just to do say you've done it then I would just get a ben calimer built mt82.

It would cost about 3k more to do I’d rather see if this is possible first before going that route my buddy had a mach1 with the 3160 and it felt great

 

[WildHorse]

I wonder what the weaknesses are in the 3160?

everything behind the clutch.

There’s definitely a reason why Ford has added it to the M1 and the Darkhorse.

Selling point - 'uses the GT350 manual transmission'

 

[Bigj5.0]

everything behind the clutch.

Selling point - 'uses the GT350 manual transmission'

The 3160 is a great trans and with cailmer coming out with a stage 3 build next year with the GForce gear set I think it’ll be a heavy hitter

 

[NGOT8R]

It would cost about 3k more to do I’d rather see if this is possible first before going that route my buddy had a mach1 with the 3160 and it felt great

@Bigj5.0, I forgot all about this thread here and I even posted in it, lol. I guess you can say I suffer from CRS (Can’t Remember !@it), lol. Anyways, this thread may or may not help you reconsider making the swap.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/tremec-3160-swap-in-a-18-gt-base.187942/

 

[NGOT8R]

The 3160 is a great trans and with cailmer coming out with a stage 3 build next year with the GForce gear set I think it’ll be a heavy hitter

It should indeed be a heavy hitter, but it’s gonna be expensive, just like everything else drivetrain related on these cars.

 

[Bigj5.0]

It should indeed be a heavy hitter, but it’s gonna be expensive, just like everything else drivetrain related on these cars.

Does anyone know what a stage 2 calimer mt82 is rated at?

 

[Hack]

I'm interested to hear how it goes for you. I have the original 3160 from my GT350 sitting in the garage. I was considering swapping if I have a problem with my MT82 in the future. I suppose my 3160 is a little different compared to the Mach version.

Are you buying a 3160 from a handling pack car with the incorporated pump for cooling? If you are going on track with the car in my opinion that is the way to go. My 3160 is from a tech pack GT350 so it doesn't have provisions for cooling. I added a pump, plumbing and a radiator for cooling to my MT82, so I should be able to swap things over without the pump being in the 3160 transmission itself.

The thing is, my 2017 has the MT82 with the better gear ratios and I really prefer not to swap from that standpoint. The 3160 is like butter when it's hot on track, but daily driving I like the 2017 version of the MT82 a lot better than the 3160.

If I owned a 2019 GT, I would swap out to the 2017 and prior version of the MT82 rather than going with the 3160. Maybe if you have a power adder you want the super high ratio version of the later version MT82. IMO if you are NA, you should set up your car with the 2017 and prior gear ratios for fun street driving.

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