2022 GT down 10 hp

[shogun32]

I want to see a 2021 Gt on the rollers and then a '22.
My bet is the hp drop is on paper only, not reality

I wouldn't put it past Ford to have tweaked the FI tables to be a little leaner here and there with a more accurate MAF. And trimmed back the CAT protection employed above 6000 RPM. The smidge less fuel likely only raises CAT temps a bit and is within range. We don't know the conditions under which they ran it nor the many correction factors employed. Maybe the fluid in the dyno was freshly changed...

Absolutely NOBODY is going to be able to feel that missing 10HP.

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[Vlad Soare]

It doesn't matter whether you feel it or not. What matters is that you know they're missing. And that's upsetting in and of itself.
If I stole two dollars from your pocket your lifestyle wouldn't be in the least affected, but you'd still be angry about it.
You pay more for a 2022 MY and get less. Whether that "less" can be felt or not is irrelevant. It's a matter of principle.

 

[shogun32]

And paper power figures are so much toilet paper. Just tell anyone sore over the theoretical loss that your mpg is better and you're doing your part to save the planet.

And anyway you're an sct device away from mollifying your wounded pride.

 

[Bikeman315]

Oh Vlad.

It doesn't matter whether you feel it or not

Sure it does. It you don’t feel it it doesn't matter.

What matters is that you know they're missing. And that's upsetting in and of itself.

Getting upset about something that doesn’t matter is beyond a 1st world problem. If I’m going to get upset it’s damn well better be meaningful.

If I stole two dollars from your pocket your lifestyle wouldn't be in the least affected, but you'd still be angry about it.

Honestly, no I wouldn’t. I’d shoot you, take my money back and laugh my ass off.

It's a matter of principle.

it’s a matter of US government EPA regulations, period. This isn’t a Ford based conspiracy to raise the used prices of 2018-2021 cars.

Take a chill pill Vlad, and have a very, very Happy New Year!!

 

[Vlad Soare]

Honestly, no I wouldn’t. I’d shoot you, take my money back and laugh my ass off.

Exactly. But we can't shoot the Ford engineers or the head of the EPA, can we? We can only rant about it.

Thank you, I wish you a very happy new year, too. A more normal one, hopefully.

 

[deanm11]

But the 10HP drop is at the crank. At the rear wheels we’re talking 5-6HP. There is no justification for throwing money at mods thinking that’s going to make a difference. @ICU812 is spot on. That 10HP drop is meaningless once you’re behind the wheel.

If it's a real 10hp crank then it would be 8-9 at the wheels.

 

[MKL_DS]

Anyone remember the 93 5.0 mysteriously being rated at 215 hp after years of being at 225?
If you drove one, you know it was not down ten horsepower. If you’ve seen the calibrations across all of the years, you would know that there was nothing changed that would kill 10 hp. These are very much marketing numbers.

Question is, does the 22 have any new emissions equipment? Is there a gpf?

 

[Bikeman315]

Question is, does the 22 have any new emissions equipment?

Yes.

Is there a gpf?

No.

And by the way Mike, where exactly is Forida? Happy New Year

 

[traxiii]

It would increase whp, meaning putting more power down to the wheel due to less parasitic loss. Things like lighter wheels, lighter brake rotors, lighter drive shaft etc all will increase whp because of this. It would not increase crank hp but when discussing measuring power we are typically not talking crank numbers but rather usable whp / rwhp.

NO, but they will increase your effective throttle response due to the reduction in force needed to start the tires spinning/moving. They would in no way create horsepower, and once the tires are spinning/rolling it would only help when you add throttle or hit the brakes, due to less centrifugal weight. Your acceleration and braking will improve, but you don't lose power due to unsprung weight. It only takes more time to change it's velocity, so your butt-dyno will notice, but a real dyno won't.

 

[MKL_DS]

Yes.


No.

And by the way Mike, where exactly is Forida? Happy New Year

What is the new hardware?

 

[Bikeman315]

What is the new hardware?

It's in here, post 62.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...ars-more-expensive.167130/page-5#post-3437349

 

[Andy13186]

NO, but they will increase your effective throttle response due to the reduction in force needed to start the tires spinning/moving. They would in no way create horsepower, and once the tires are spinning/rolling it would only help when you add throttle or hit the brakes, due to less centrifugal weight. Your acceleration and braking will improve, but you don't lose power due to unsprung weight. It only takes more time to change it's velocity, so your butt-dyno will notice, but a real dyno won't.

They are freeing up wheel horsepower, you will make more horsepower to the tires with lighter wheels tires and rotors due to less parasitic drivetrain loss. Along with the other mentioned benefits.

 

[Dave2013M3]

These cars have at best only a 10% drop from BHP to WHP so in reality it would be an 8-9rwhp drop. It would be interesting to see. This test would have to be performed on multiple vehicles to get a true snapshot.

My guess is the Ford Racing kit probably won't work on the 2022s now due to the calibration. We will have to wait and see.

 

[MKL_DS]

It's in here, post 62.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...ars-more-expensive.167130/page-5#post-3437349

That doesn't call out any new hardware. Mentions a modified carbon trap and new MAF location with a corresponding calibration. None of that is killing 10 hp.

 

[Bikeman315]

That doesn't call out any new hardware. Mentions a modified carbon trap and new MAF location with a corresponding calibration. None of that is killing 10 hp.

Well that’s what Ford says it is. You can talk to them about if the 10HP is really that much of an issue.

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