2017-'18 GT500 & GT500KR

[StangFever2846]

There absolutely is a 10 speed automatic that is capable of 800+ maximum torque capacity. thePill is trying to locate a PDF or info on said transmission but hearsay is all that's available.

I personally didn't want an automatic in the GT500 at all. However, once it was explained to me, I have to agree... Ford is developing an A10 that can handle 800+ torque and it will be a GT500 exclusive. There is a very good chance that there is a GT500 and GT500KR with different horsepower ratings like 2009. The GT500 had 500hp and the GT500KR had 540...

GT500: Uses a single Hot V Twin Scroll making 700-750hp, 670tq. I would like to see the GT500 use a 7 speed manual like the C7 and an milder version of the A10 like the ZL1 uses.

GT500KR: Hot V BiTurbo/Twin (Ecoboost), 808hp, 800tq, Special A10 ONLY.

Something tells me that transmission would make it's way into the Super Duty platform.

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[1320']

It's replacing the A6, I don't think it'll be a GT500 exclusive. It might for the first year, but not going forward.

 

[thePill]

M6G did a neat write up about the GT500 and its design direction. JC's Render is definitely hitting on some design cues.

One issue though... when referring to Barracade and JC's design. The Ram Air hood.


If, and I hope it's true, IF the engine is configured to a Hot V BiTurbo/Twin or Sequential, the turbo actually needs access to cool air. Either from the top of the hood like so OR, designing a "Lid" type scoop that scoops air from the top of the grill.

The Ram Air design could be fully functional

 

[thePill]

The M838T is a Twin Turbocharged Flat Plane Crank V8 at 3.8 or 3.9 liters. So.... a turbo and forced induction can work.

Keep in mind packaging for a Front Engine car and a Parallel Twin or Bi Turbo. thePill feels that a Hot V designed BiTurbo or a Hot V Sequential/Compound Twin Scroll Turbo. If 800hp is truly the target, you will definitely need something special.

A large cube, supercharged Coyote, say 5.8 and a 2.3-2.6 could get over 750hp but at what expense to MPG's and Emissions.


Sources say Ford does in fact have an A10 with an 800tq max capacity. I imagine, if this is true, there will be a special GT500KR that is 10 speed Auto ONLY.

If that is true, Ford could actually produce a low level EB Coyote to compete with a ZL1.

 

[9secondko]

Hopefully the GT500 goes more minimalist.

The GT350 is as far as you want to go with tacking on fascia and spoilers.

Adding scoops everywhere really dates the car and clutters the aesthetics. Buttnast.

Keeping rear facing scoops on the hood to extract hot air and one the fenders is fine. But that should be it.

 

[HCT]

Adding scoops everywhere really dates the car and clutters the aesthetics.

It all comes down to function. Look at the Corvette Z06 -- the thing has tons of scoops and vents not to look cool (honestly the design is too busy) but because it needs them to keep everything cool.

 

[GTA Mustang]

It all comes down to function. Look at the Corvette Z06 -- the thing has tons of scoops and vents not to look cool (honestly the design is too busy) but because it needs them to keep everything cool.

And it still overheats!!! :lol:

 

[9secondko]

It all comes down to function. Look at the Corvette Z06 -- the thing has tons of scoops and vents not to look cool (honestly the design is too busy) but because it needs them to keep everything cool.

There a way to design a scoop (preferably rear facing for heat extraction) so that it blends in or adds tasteful flair. But mostly it just ends up looking like an 8 year olds idea of cool.

 

[HCT]

There a way to design a scoop (preferably rear facing for heat extraction) so that it blends in or adds tasteful flair. But mostly it just ends up looking like an 8 year olds idea of cool.

Agreed. But Ford sure has a good track record lately: the GT350 doesn't appear to have any heat or aerodynamic lift issues and it's friggin' gorgeous, so I have hopes that the GT500 will look great too.

The main thing I'm happy about is that fake aero is out of fashion.

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

The M838T is a Twin Turbocharged Flat Plane Crank V8 at 3.8 or 3.9 liters. So.... a turbo and forced induction can work.

Keep in mind packaging for a Front Engine car and a Parallel Twin or Bi Turbo. thePill feels that a Hot V designed BiTurbo or a Hot V Sequential/Compound Twin Scroll Turbo. If 800hp is truly the target, you will definitely need something special.

A large cube, supercharged Coyote, say 5.8 and a 2.3-2.6 could get over 750hp but at what expense to MPG's and Emissions.


Sources say Ford does in fact have an A10 with an 800tq max capacity. I imagine, if this is true, there will be a special GT500KR that is 10 speed Auto ONLY.

If that is true, Ford could actually produce a low level EB Coyote to compete with a ZL1.

Do you even understand what you are saying? "A large cube, supercharged Coyote, say 5.8.." you realize this is not possible right? The 5.2 Voodoo was as large as they could make the engine, as it is based off of the 5.0L.... there is no more physical room to bore more metal out of the block to increase displacement. The old 5.8 in the last GT500 was a version of the original 5.4 block. You can't just extract an extra 0.8L out of a block, because ya know, reality won't allow it. Like trying to say you'd like to get get 3L of milk out of a 2L jugg..

 

[thePill]

Do you even understand what you are saying? "A large cube, supercharged Coyote, say 5.8.." you realize this is not possible right? The 5.2 Voodoo was as large as they could make the engine, as it is based off of the 5.0L.... there is no more physical room to bore more metal out of the block to increase displacement. The old 5.8 in the last GT500 was a version of the original 5.4 block. You can't just extract an extra 0.8L out of a block, because ya know, reality won't allow it. Like trying to say you'd like to get get 3L of milk out of a 2L jugg..

I do know what I'm saying, I have multiple degrees in Automotive everything.

Listen, the target was suppose to be 800hp and the media now confirms that.

What are Fords options?

A Bi or Twin Turbo set up using a Hot V configuration OR, a large cube, supercharged V8.

You can extract an extra 0.8 liters from the 5.0 Coyote. I'm not sure why you think that's not possible. There are bored and stroked Coyotes right now and we have seen what they can do with it. Have you not explored PTWA technology? Because Ford will make a liar out of drivetrain people.

 

[obgod3]

I was told today by a Ford gu, who in the past has been accurate, the new GT500 will be a 4.2 twin turbo 750+Hpr.

Im just passing info, no idea how accurate it is but he has been pretty accurate in the past.

But that seems strange to me.

 

[thePill]

I was told today by a Ford gu, who in the past has been accurate, the new GT500 will be a 4.2 twin turbo 750+Hpr.

Im just passing info, no idea how accurate it is but he has been pretty accurate in the past.

But that seems strange to me.

That would be neat... they would need to make around 190hp per liter. On a V6, it is a bit easier due to less friction from the missing 2 cylinders. A V8 4.2 would require more boost to make the same output...



The most important thing isn't the displacement so much as the type of Turbo configuration they will use. The S550 is quite cramped for a parallel twin turbo. In order to make upwards of 750+hp you need 2 turbos on a 5 to 5.5 liter Coyote. If 750+hp is the goal and they are stuck with a supercharger, they need more displacement.

A 2.3 supercharged 5.2 V8 and pass emissions getting no less than 21mpg? Doubt it...


The next great engineering feat that needs accomplished by Ford Performance is Port Direct Injection in the Coyote/Voodoo and a Hot V Ecoboost V8 for a Mustang. That is coming soon...

 

[HCT]

I do know what I'm saying, I have multiple degrees in Automotive everything.

 

[MadCow]

I do know what I'm saying, I have multiple degrees in Automotive everything.

Listen, the target was suppose to be 800hp and the media now confirms that.

What are Fords options?

A Bi or Twin Turbo set up using a Hot V configuration OR, a large cube, supercharged V8.

You can extract an extra 0.8 liters from the 5.0 Coyote. I'm not sure why you think that's not possible. There are bored and stroked Coyotes right now and we have seen what they can do with it. Have you not explored PTWA technology? Because Ford will make a liar out of drivetrain people.

Anything is possible with enough money but a 5.8L coyote is not practical. Especially for boost. The 5.2L is with plasma cylinder and that's pretty much maxed on the bore. You would still have to add > 4" stroke. Without the increased deck of the old 5.4/5.8L you are gonna have to run a very short rod and a piston with a very short skirt to not pull it out the bottom of the block. You are also gonna have crazy side loads. JPC offered a 344 CI coyote with sleeves and the works but I haven't heard of anyone actually running it. With boost you don't need all those cubes anyway. MMR said they built a 4.6 with a 5.4 (4.165") crank and it was expensive, a lot of work, and a complete turd.

Mihovetz has made 2500-3000hp with a stock 4.6 block with stock cylinder bores. Stock coyote cylinders are hit or miss at 1000hp or more. So why would you want to make the bores any thinner for a boosted application.

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