I've thought from the beginning and hoped that they would follow in AMG's footsteps regarding the Hot V bi-turbo design. Very effective layout and minimizes lag/maximizes response time which is great.If you look at the Spy photos again, everyone will notice a large bump in the center of the hood. Traditionally, this would indicate a supercharged V8. Reason being? A supercharger rest in between the cylinder banks where the 5.0's composite intake was.
A Twin Turbo or Parallel Turbo DOES NOT sit inside the V.
So... It has to be a supercharger...
There is absolutely no way Ford followed AMG on this very topic right? There is no way they would copy the Powerstroke design that they have right?
If we eliminate the Turbos, what does a V8 need to produce 750-800hp? An OEM 5.0 can probably make 650hp and pass emissions. Chevy needed DI and I'm betting Ford does too... So it needs a 2.3 liter TVS, Direct Injection and what should it displace? 5.0? 5.5? 4.0?
At 4.0, the engine would need to make 200hp per Liter and you need a 4 cylinder to pull those numbers. A 5.0 is 160hp per liter but then again, definitely needs DI. The EB3.5 makes 171hp and I doubt any V8 can beat that.
AMG's 4.0 made 503hp in 2014, not sure about now. It is easily a 600hp engine at 4 liters but that's about it. That's 150hp per liter and a V8 could achieve that...
At 150hp per liter, a 5.0 will produce 750hp.
Understand, 150hp per liter is an efficient V8...
In order for Ford to reach 800hp, they could push more boost or become more efficient at 5 liters. So, if 808hp was correct to begin with (they say as much as 810 now), they would need to do so by increasing the displacement.
thePill says it will need to be between 5.0 and 5.5 liters in order to make 800hp. thePill says it will be 5.4 liters and 808hp and nearly equal torque. I DO NOT feel that a supercharger will be utilized. There is a "Powerdome" for sure and most assume it's a supercharger. thePill feels that is incorrect. AMG discontinued the 5.5 Parallel BiTurbo which made close to 600hp with a Hot V BiTurbo 4.0 that makes 500-550hp. The GT500 will not use a traditional Twin Turbo... it will use a Hot V BiTurbo. Only explanation for the bump on the hood. A supercharger would need more than 5.8 liters to make 750-800 and be legal. Also, a parallel system mounts low and forward to the engine block, no room for one here.
There is still a SC Coyote to be had and it will probably be the 55th Anniversary Mach 1. It doesn't need to make 750-800hp. A Supercharged Cross Plane 5.2 could comfortably make 620-670hp and could arrive right when sales need a bump. I feel there will be a Hot V Single Turbo, Twin Scroll GT500 that sits around Hellcat HP levels, comes in manual and auto and is $66,995.
The GT500KR will be the higher end, 800+hp Hot V BiTurbo and use Ford 800tq A10 only. It will probably be in the $70,000's
The 4.0TT V8 at 600 hp even is nowhere close to being near its limits. Renntech has already threw a couple of minor bolt ons and with a tune put down 699whp on 93 octane.... lol that engine is easily capable of 1000hp on stock internals; they are some of, if not the best, engines produced in the world.
At 5.0L or even 5.2L, Ford could easily, easily put out 800hp on anywhere from 9-14 lbs of boost with a biturbo setup. Might not even need that much boost really. For every 1 atm of pressure from a turbocharger, it equates to an approximate doubling of cubic inches in regards to if the engine was naturally aspirated.
I disagree with the Mach prediction; it has always been an NA car in the past, and I seriously doubt Ford will ever utilize a supercharger again IF the GT500 does indeed utilize an ecoboost engine, as that would be simply going backward. I think it would be more likely that the Mach 1 would be an option box or alternative model to the GT as it was originally, rather than its own separate car. The Mach 1 has never been as special as either of the Shelby variants, so I would say its probably more likely to be akin to the 1LE that you can option from a Camaro SS.