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[Asharus]

and i thought the ecoboost guys were crazy

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[Blk2015GT]

So your basically saying, if Car and driver or any other mag did a shootout between the GTPP and 1SS, the the GTPP would win.

Nope and I could care less what a car mag shootout says frankly. That's only good for the mass sheep who read them in some vacuum and also think a sporty Camry is a sports car and "grounded to the ground."

That if you had $37,295 plus tax in your pocket, call it $40k, you could have a better performing Mustang GT than bone stock 1SS for the same price penny to penny. Period and cannot really be debated.

If price is irrelevant in the equation then well toss the GT350 in the mix at "only" $4-5 (or even less once you spec out a 2SS) more than a 2SS, or maybe even a specced 1SS, and watch the Camaro get whipped all over. Price matters- a lot to 99% of people. And especially thousands. You could get away with $200 in the scheme of $30k+ but not $4k. In mag testing price is but a footnote and not a factor head to head.

I wouldn't spend $4,000 more on a Camaro; even IF I cared for it's looks to get 20 pounds lighter and 25 more hp. It's simply not worth that much extra money. 50hp and 100+ pounds, ok that's quite a bit more convincing.

I get it, from your average post in here and only in Camaro vs Mustang threads you're a GM fanboi. But denying the fact that $4k is a lot and goes a long way is ignorant.

 

[Fox5.0]

So your basically saying, if Car and driver or any other mag did a shootout between the GTPP and 1SS, the the GTPP would win.

If it's motortrend, be ready to see some ridiculous numbers for Chevy.

But no it will not. The camaro will have a slight advantage on the GT PP stock for stock.

Which isn't so impressive considering EVERYTHING they have changed on it.

Also to those against DI... Are you just worried about build up in the valves or what else is so bad about it?

 

[speedracermustangfan]

I'd rather spend 40k on a focus rs than a camaro. That little car might be a few bolt ons away from low 12s. Based on my experience in the st, it will feel better on the street. It might not have the laptimes, but I feel like the focus may surprise some people when the tuners get their hands on it.

 

[mustang_guy]

If it's motortrend, be ready to see some ridiculous numbers for Chevy.

But no it will not. The camaro will have a slight advantage on the GT PP stock for stock.

Which isn't so impressive considering EVERYTHING they have changed on it.

Also to those against DI... Are you just worried about build up in the valves or what else is so bad about it?

Youve clearly never paid for a valve cleaning. It ranges from 700-1200 every 20k. in 20k an rs4 reported a loss of 40whp from build up. Its flawwed and makes the fuel system upgrades drastically more expensive. Everyone that buys di until its perfected is a guinea pig.

 

[stage3s4]

Youve clearly never paid for a valve cleaning. It ranges from 700-1200 every 20k. in 20k an rs4 reported a loss of 40whp from build up. Its flawwed and makes the fuel system upgrades drastically more expensive. Everyone that buys di until its perfected is a guinea pig.

This. Carbon build up is a major major issue and very expensive to deal with. It happens on every DI car. I work on VW/Audis on a pretty regular basis and the 2.0Ts always have carbon buildup. There are ways to prevent it somewhat with seafoam treatments and such but you will still end up with some carbon build up. Also it makes upgrading your fuel system problematic. Forget about running E85 for big power with DI.

I just don't understand why people are such proponents for it. It's not like you are going to make any more power with DI vs port injection. The only real benefit is some extra MPGs.

some pics of a 50k 2.0t head from an a4:

Two valves on the right were cylinders treated with seafoam on the left un-treated valves. You can see it helps but still carbon buildup.

Same here top seafoam treatment bottom untreated

 

[mustang_guy]

The little better mpg you get from di is completely spent on the valve cleaning, and then some. It actually will cost you a lot more in the long run. I wouldnt buy anything with di.

 

[OppoLock]

20k intervals? Wtf? I know plenty of engines with DI but it's always the VAG stories that concern me. My E92's N54 needed one walnut blasting.

 

[stage3s4]

The little better mpg you get from di is completely spent on the valve cleaning, and then some. It actually will cost you a lot more in the long run. I wouldnt buy anything with di.

yea I totally agree. I think the solution would be to have both port and direct injection. This way you can have the port injection keep the valves clean by injection fuel into the intake stream and have the benefit of not having issues when you want to upgrade your fuel system.

 

[stage3s4]

20k intervals? Wtf? I know plenty of engines with DI but it's always the VAG stories that concern me. My E92's N54 needed one walnut blasting.

The intervals is totally dependent on the owner. It may not be necessary but you will probably start to lose power after that point from carbon build up but your car will probably drive fine. You most likely here more about VAG cars having issues simply because they have been doing DI longer than most and have more high mileage cars out there that are DI compared to other brands. the 2.0t is used in like every VAG car now in some fashion and has been for a while now I think since like 2005.

 

[Norm Peterson]

yea I totally agree. I think the solution would be to have both port and direct injection. This way you can have the port injection keep the valves clean by injection fuel into the intake stream and have the benefit of not having issues when you want to upgrade your fuel system.

Already being done (in the Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S). Sooner or later others will catch on.


Norm

 

[mustang_guy]

20k intervals? Wtf? I know plenty of engines with DI but it's always the VAG stories that concern me. My E92's N54 needed one walnut blasting.

Well in a master tech at a bmw dealer and we do them very often. My personal dealership pushes it about every 25k. I can say though the harder the bmw is driven the less build up there is. My dealer charges 1200 for the walnut blasting process. I do a couple a week on my own.

 

[mustang_guy]

The new subaru dit motors (fa20dit) has noticeable build up as soon as 7,000 miles.

 

[02gtnh]

Have not heard any LT1 issues. Have there been any?

 

[mustang_guy]

Have not heard any LT1 issues. Have there been any?

I highly doubt most people have enough miles on those vettes, or haven't noticed. Some people dont even notice the drop. I notice it on customers cars that didnt even complain about the lack of ooomph or hesitation.

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