2015 V6 Engine Blown @ 13k

[Metaflame]

That doesn't prove anything. I can put links up to many other aftermarket parts are that SAY "WILL NOT VOID FACTORY WARRANTY" But there not Ford motor company, it's not approve part, wasn't tested by Ford. Here's link where this poor person with blown up 4cyl with parts that say will not void factory warranty that got denied http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35826. Think about it for 1 second they say won't void factory warranty because your not up loading a tune.

Roush doesn't control what Ford does. You're dancing around the question show me something from FORD that's say it won't.

Did even try to find TSB that Ford put out about tune and mods.

Here is my mod list in the order they were installed.

Car purchased on 7/28/15
JMS BoostMax installed by MRT on 7/31/2015
MMR Cold Air Intake Installed by me on 8/10/2015
JMS PedalMax installed by MRT on 8/14/2015
Steeda Throttle Body Spacer installed by me on 8/19/2015

And also he tuned as well.

How the hell are you taking that example and to put it on here.

Roush is a brand that works with FORD. we are talking about CAI and Exhaust.

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Does this seem like something that alters the way an engine work? YES

We are not talking about tunes and huge upgrades.

Reality: Engine is getting changed by FORD as it should be.
My CAI did not lead to my engine failure.

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[Metaflame]

Some dealerships may say, for example, that just because you have a performance part such as a cold air intake on the car that the whole vehicle warranty is void, says Loren Wong, a car enthusiast and a former warranty administrator for BMW and Acura. "That's not true," he says.

The saving grace for consumers is the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975. The act states that a dealer must prove that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before it can deny warranty coverage.

However, if the reason for a parts failure is unclear, a dealer will usually charge you to diagnose the vehicle. If the aftermarket part was not properly installed or a modification led to a component failure, it is within the dealer's right to void the warranty for that part, and you will have to pay for the repairs out of pocket. If the aftermarket parts had nothing to do with the repairs in question, you will be refunded the fee for the diagnosis.

Any aftermarket performance parts on your vehicle can cause a dealer to suspect that you either drive the car hard or possibly race it. "Although they may not void warranties," Wong added, "modifications may raise a red flag when vehicles are in for service. If consumers who mod their cars do a little research, they may find certain dealerships that are a little more 'mod-friendly.'"

 

[Metaflame]

From FORD:

WHAT IS NOT COVERED?
Ford Motor Company may deny you emissions warranty coverage if your
vehicle or a part does not contain an emissions-related defect or has
failed because of abuse, neglect, improper maintenance, unapproved
modifications, or any items included in What Is Not Covered?, pages
12-15.

unapproved modifications

Since Roush says it wont that means that is a approved modification since Roush claims it will not.

isthatahemi:
I got in writing from my dealer that a Rousch CAI would not void any warranty.
Talk to the shop foreman of your local dealer.
Source: http://www.f150forum.com/f70/will-roush-parts-void-ford-warranty-158784/

So a tune and CAI are not the same thing, don't ridicule people when you give these examples and dismiss a wheel claim. Very ignorant and arrogant.

 

[jasonstang]

That doesn't prove anything. I can put links up to many other aftermarket parts are that SAY "WILL NOT VOID FACTORY WARRANTY" But there not Ford motor company, it's not approve part, wasn't tested by Ford. Here's link where this poor person with blown up 4cyl with parts that say will not void factory warranty that got denied http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35826. Think about it for 1 second they say won't void factory warranty because your not up loading a tune.

Roush doesn't control what Ford does. You're dancing around the question show me something from FORD that's say it won't.

Did even try to find TSB that Ford put out about tune and mods.

At what point did all the parts and tune this guy used said will not avoid warranty? He had a tune and turned up the boost which altered how the engine works. That's outside the factory engine specification. A properly engineered CAI does not make an engine run outside the specifications. Roush knows that and clearly tell customers that.

Roush does not control what Ford does yes, but Roush engineers work with Ford engineers to create things that will not cause damages that voids warranty. Do I believe Roush or believe you? I think the answer is pretty clear.

 

[jasonstang]

Be that way then I don't care but I'm not the one who's claiming Roush CAI is ok. TSB out there not my fault you want to be lazy and being lazy about proving to me Roush CAI is ok

I proved you Roush is okay on Roush website. You are the one that's not buying it not me. :lol:
Given your previous posts all end up arguing with whoever tries to help you. I think you just likes to argue for the sake of arguing. Must be real fun to be your friends in real life.

 

[2015 Silver GT]

Show me the said TSB.

It exists.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/foru...91d1309536718-tsb-tuning-mods-tsb11-07-07.pdf

 

[jasonstang]

It exists.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/foru...91d1309536718-tsb-tuning-mods-tsb11-07-07.pdf

The TSB simply lists thing that may or may not cause damages to the engine components. If you look at the flow chart, only flashing tune and aftermarket components that directly causes engine damages are not covered under warranty. It means if you flash tune, it's no brainer, but if you did hardware change, they still have to explain it which is exactly what we have been talking about since the beginning. I don't see what the deal is here with 347CobraII.

 

[redline727]

I'm a service advisor at a BMW dealership. We are pretty MOD friendly. A lot of techs and advisors that are passionate about cars and just don't do it as a job. Some techs are just dicks and try to blame anything on the customer to not have to work on the car under warranty as they make less time for doing so. It's a simple fact where I work. And they know when they're trying to get out of something. And sometimes they do. Doesn't mean I tell the customer it's not covered I just take the car from them and give it to the foreman to properly diagnose and they make the educated call. I tell my customers up front if the failure is directly related to a modification, repair will not be covered. If they choose to question our diagnosis, which they can, I call the BMW field rep and he makes the call. At that point it's out of our hands and whatever the field rep says happens. If he said its not covered and customer still doesn't like the call it's between them and BMW NA. If the car is not driveable we will usually let you keep the car on the lot till you get it worked out. We are even a Dinan install facility. This is where people get confused. Dinan tunes and parts can and will effect your warranty. What Dinan actually claims is that they match your factory 4/50K warranty. Meaning if there is a failure and it was determined it was a Dinan part or SW that caused it Dinan will pay for it. But it will not be covered by BMW. A lot of companies make similar claims. Bc it's just a gamble for them. They charge more for their claim in hopes they don't have to pay out. But that doesn't mean it will be any easier on the customer if something were to occur. There is a lot of hurdles too go through to get that to happen. You don't just bring car in with a blown motor and Dinan stage 3 and we go, no worries, BMW will cover it all...there is some intense diagnosis to prove what caused the failure. If it's due to a Dinan component then you got to get them to pay for it. Which fortunately for me I had not had to go through with a customer YET... Ironically a customer just brought in a brand new X3 35I with the N55 and a Dinan stage 2 tune that we installed when he bought the car. DME went into safe mode and has a shit ton of boost faults. Car has 768 miles on it. Now we have to determine if the tune is causing the boost faults or something else before we can determine what's covered and what's not and who pays for it Oh JOY. Oh and the customer wants to take it FL on Monday and he's pissed...FML

 

[347CobraII]

I'm a service advisor at a BMW dealership. We are pretty MOD friendly. A lot of techs and advisors that are passionate about cars and just don't do it as a job. Some techs are just dicks and try to blame anything on the customer to not have to work on the car under warranty as they make less time for doing so. It's a simple fact where I work. And they know when they're trying to get out of something. And sometimes they do. Doesn't mean I tell the customer it's not covered I just take the car from them and give it to the foreman to properly diagnose and they make the educated call. I tell my customers up front if the failure is directly related to a modification, repair will not be covered. If they choose to question our diagnosis, which they can, I call the BMW field rep and he makes the call. At that point it's out of our hands and whatever the field rep says happens. If he said its not covered and customer still doesn't like the call it's between them and BMW NA. If the car is not driveable we will usually let you keep the car on the lot till you get it worked out. We are even a Dinan install facility. This is where people get confused. Dinan tunes and parts can and will effect your warranty. What Dinan actually claims is that they match your factory 4/50K warranty. Meaning if there is a failure and it was determined it was a Dinan part or SW that caused it Dinan will pay for it. But it will not be covered by BMW. A lot of companies make similar claims. Bc it's just a gamble for them. They charge more for their claim in hopes they don't have to pay out. But that doesn't mean it will be any easier on the customer if something were to occur. There is a lot of hurdles too go through to get that to happen. You don't just bring car in with a blown motor and Dinan stage 3 and we go, no worries, BMW will cover it all...there is some intense diagnosis to prove what caused the failure. If it's due to a Dinan component then you got to get them to pay for it. Which fortunately for me I had not had to go through with a customer YET... Ironically a customer just brought in a brand new X3 35I with the N55 and a Dinan stage 2 tune that we installed when he bought the car. DME went into safe mode and has a shit ton of boost faults. Car has 768 miles on it. Now we have to determine if the tune is causing the boost faults or something else before we can determine what's covered and what's not and who pays for it Oh JOY. Oh and the customer wants to take it FL on Monday and he's pissed...FML

There are some that will look the other way. Most manufacturer policy if non OEM part was the cause of failure no warranty. It actually yes and no answer most dealership will say yes it's the cause because it saves them the hassle on back end.
Back end is after car long gone dealership sends parts in to manufacturer they can still deny the claim. WHO'S left holding the bag after that dealership they eat it that's why most say denied after seeing non OEM parts. I work for truck dealership too I do know what happens.

 

[347CobraII]

The TSB simply lists thing that may or may not cause damages to the engine components. If you look at the flow chart, only flashing tune and aftermarket components that directly causes engine damages are not covered under warranty. It means if you flash tune, it's no brainer, but if you did hardware change, they still have to explain it which is exactly what we have been talking about since the beginning. I don't see what the deal is here with 347CobraII.

How about this jasontang say your CAI cannot deny your warranty at all. He will cover it so mod away......

If CAI doesn't change how engine runs then why install said part in the first place?

 

[jasonstang]

How about this jasontang say your CAI cannot deny your warranty at all. He will cover it so mod away......

If CAI doesn't change how engine runs then why install said part in the first place?

Of course it will change how engine runs to what degree. Is it within factory allowed parameters or not. A CAI will almost make the engine run within factory allowed parameters where as a tune is changing factory parameters. There is a difference and its not black and white when it comes to CAI unlike a tune.

 

[FordTechOne]

There seems to be a lot of bickering and confusion in this thread. Let me clear a few things up for you.

First off, it doesn't matter what Roush publishes in regards to warranty. Roush is not Ford, and despite what some people will claim, Ford does not warranty Roush parts or Roush modification related failures.

If you go into the dealer with a 2015 Supercharged Roush Mustang with a blown engine, Ford isn't going to even touch it. That's between you and Roush, and the warranty (if any) that Roush provided with the vehicle. When the vehicle is built, it's produced as a regular Mustang at Flat Rock Assembly. Then, instead of getting shipped to the dealer, it gets shipped to Roush. From Roush, it then gets shipped to the dealer. If you run OASIS on the VIN, it will not show that it's been modified or that it's a Roush Mustang. It will show up as a regular Mustang, just like any other.

The cold air intake is no different. Installing a cold air intake on a vehicle with a MAF can skew the MAF readings, which results in skewed fuel trims. If that going to cause an engine to blow? Typically not, but it can certainly result in other driveability issues (surging, hesitation, etc.).

As I mentioned in the other blown engine post, warrantability is determined by the dealer, NOT by Ford Motor Company. Only in rare cases (GT500 Trinity engine failure) does a Ford Field Rep become involved.

Ford provides the resources for the dealer (Warranty & Policy Manual, Prior Approval, Warranty Assistance Center), and the dealer is then expected to make the final decision. If the dealer determines that the Cold Air Intake resulted in a blown engine, then that's the decision. Same thing if the dealer determines that the cold air intake did not result in the blown engine. It's up to the specific dealer to make the call.

Therefore, if the engine was damaged due to running lean from the biased MAF readings and fuel trims, the dealer may deny warranty coverage. If the timing chain broke and the pistons hit the valves, the dealer has no reason to suspect that the CAI caused the failure. Warranty is determined on a case-by-case basis, there is no rule that a certain mod will void a warranty every time.

 

[jasonstang]

Therefore, if the engine was damaged due to running lean from the biased MAF readings and fuel trims, the dealer may deny warranty coverage. If the timing chain broke and the pistons hit the valves, the dealer has no reason to suspect that the CAI caused the failure. Warranty is determined on a case-by-case basis, there is no rule that a certain mod will void a warranty every time.

This is exactly what I've been talking about since the beginning. The dealer or Ford has to determine if the CAI is causing the damage or not. It's not just oh you have non-factory part, bye bye warranty and sucks to be you type of situation 347CobraII has been babbling about.

I am not saying Roush will tell Ford if their CAI is used, they can't deny warranty nor will Ford warrant Roush modified cars. What I said was Roush knows to what extend that Ford will deny warranty on modifications and design their products within these constrains. For example, an incorrect tube diameter can clearly throw off MAF reading and cause issues but if Roush designed the CAI that has exact diameter as factory and same filtration capability, if anything happens to the engine the dealer/Ford will have a hard time blaming on the CAI because there are no error codes and there are no flags in the computer. Now if you are using your home made CAI with wrong diameter cause MAF error readings which the burn up the valves due to lean burn, then yes dealer/Ford has every right to deny your warranty.

Back to OP's case. He was lucky that the dealer did not accuse him for running low on oil be the cause of throwing a rod because the dealer has every right to. Checking oil level is owners responsibility just like checking tire pressure. If you drive on low tire pressure the tire pops and wheel falls off you can't blame Ford for not making the wheel strong enough to be driven on because that's outside what a wheel does.

 

[347CobraII]

This is exactly what I've been talking about since the beginning. The dealer or Ford has to determine if the CAI is causing the damage or not. It's not just oh you have non-factory part, bye bye warranty and sucks to be you type of situation 347CobraII has been babbling about.

I am not saying Roush will tell Ford if their CAI is used, they can't deny warranty nor will Ford warrant Roush modified cars. What I said was Roush knows to what extend that Ford will deny warranty on modifications and design their products within these constrains. For example, an incorrect tube diameter can clearly throw off MAF reading and cause issues but if Roush designed the CAI that has exact diameter as factory and same filtration capability, if anything happens to the engine the dealer/Ford will have a hard time blaming on the CAI because there are no error codes and there are no flags in the computer. Now if you are using your home made CAI with wrong diameter cause MAF error readings which the burn up the valves due to lean burn, then yes dealer/Ford has every right to deny your warranty.

Back to OP's case. He was lucky that the dealer did not accuse him for running low on oil be the cause of throwing a rod because the dealer has every right to. Checking oil level is owners responsibility just like checking tire pressure. If you drive on low tire pressure the tire pops and wheel falls off you can't blame Ford for not making the wheel strong enough to be driven on because that's outside what a wheel does.

This whole thread is about the engine and what CAI can void warranty on it "engine". You act like it's whole car. Roush industries it not Ford if there CAI was the cause Ford will void the warranty. AGAIN non OEM part don't matter who part it is. But most dealerships will say CAI was at fault for engine related issues to avoid issue on back end. After sending part in because manufacturer request them to be sent back. Manufacturer will back charge said dealership long after you are got and bragging on internet I got my car covered with CAI. You don't care how or who paid for it as long it didn't cost you a dime.

On Roush cars they cover the part on what they did to the car. Ford dealership may sell the car Roush isn't part of Ford

 

[redline727]

Well I guess since most of work in dealerships that have been commenting, we should all just be able to agree if you MOD your car and something happens under warranty, just bring it in a follow the process. Results may vary...

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