Supercharging fact and fiction help me clear up my worries

[tdstuart]

The reality is adding several hundred horsepower to the car puts strain. Puts strain on the engine, the transmission, puts cats at risk, and lots of extra heat.

Lots of people slap a whipple on their car and are good. Lots of people who do this baby their car and never push it so they never have issues. Some people push their cars and are fine, some people blow engines. Even stock cars will blow an engine yet some people can make 1000hp on the stock engine. Its a risk putting more power into the stock engine and involves some luck.

If you do decide to go whipple, stay on the whipple tune, get good tires, and maybe change the cats to gt500 cats if you want to stay catted. For HPDE you will probably need better cooling depending on the track style. If its a small track that you won't get into the power the car probably wont be much hotter. If its a fast track where you will be on the gas a lot, you will probably need to heavily invest in cooling.

I'm not saying don't do it but people who do love to promote it and not talk about the reality of the gamble and sacrifices you make once you push an oem platform past what it was designed for. If you have the money to buy a gt500 do that haha

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[The_sleipnir]

You definitely need to remove your factory catalytic converters, or at least replace them with high-flow cats.

After I installed the supercharger, my cats were destroyed within two months, which led to me rebuilding the entire engine early last year.

As long as the tune is done properly, even being catless shouldn’t produce much smell.

 

[Bob Lob Law]

I don't notice the smell much. My daughter says that it smells like my parents lawn mower. LOL

 

[JoeCee]

Is your car stock? If so, do am E tune and switch the rear end carrier to some lower gears. If you boost it get a set of 2020 gt500 cats and have them dabbed in. I would risk a centri blower with stock cats, but not a PD.

 

[RMoeslein]

Just dont get greedy with the boost, go e85 and youd be fine.

Excellent words of wisdom!

 

[GTP]

My car has more oil cooling, water cooling, and air cooling than a stock M1. I still overheated (by a little) at Road America, which was handled by short shifting into 8th gear.

Once you experience Limp Mode, or rpm limiting (via trans gear), the HPDE fun is over. That could happen by lunch hour on your first day. Imagine the remorse of installing the SC.

It's an important decision.

 

[RTR077]

I have a SC. You don't need one for HPDE and honestly it is a detriment in terms of weight and heat. The Mach 1 is excellent out of the box. With weight savings and good tires, you will be going strong. Now if you really want the extra power (I did) that's fine, but as you get faster and more competitive with yourself you will need to manage the tension its puts on your car.

 

[diambo4life]

Boost will be fine IMO. I think it would live a very healthy and long life at 700-800whp as long as it has a good tune, KEEP IT ON E85, and add complimentary cooling mods for track (so bigger heat exchanger, bigger remote reservoir that you can add ice and a better radiators for coolant, oil and probably trans. I am one of those who made 955whp in a bone stock Gen 4 Coyote (22 F150 truck) for thousands of miles until I sold it. I never hurt it. It also had the factory cats 99% of that time. I torched one at around 10,000-11,000 miles tho. Boost the car and just use some common sense and go have fun. YOLO.

 

[ThatSilverCar]

Well I appreciate all the input, have a decent amount of thinking and deciding to do.

 

[robvas]

Boost will be fine IMO. I think it would live a very healthy and long life at 700-800whp as long as it has a good tune, KEEP IT ON E85, and add complimentary cooling mods for track (so bigger heat exchanger, bigger remote reservoir that you can add ice and a better radiators for coolant, oil and probably trans. I am one of those who made 955whp in a bone stock Gen 4 Coyote (22 F150 truck) for thousands of miles until I sold it. I never hurt it. It also had the factory cats 99% of that time. I torched one at around 10,000-11,000 miles tho. Boost the car and just use some common sense and go have fun. YOLO.

What does a truck like that run in the 1/4 or 60-130?

 

[daSNAK3]

You only live once. Do It!

 

[diambo4life]

What does a truck like that run in the 1/4 or 60-130?

10.1 in the 1/4 on the street, 6.7s in the 60-130. 5600lb super crew truck tho.

 

[skinnyb]

So what I'm reading is I need to stick to my gut here and leave the boost alone if I want to continue my HPDE weekends in the future. Or risk uncle Rodney impersonating the kool-aid man with my block.

While I can financially support scattering this engine I very much do not want to. The car is plenty fine enough as it is. It's a weapon on the track as is and I don't think a blower is going to help me keep up with those dang Miatas .

Maybe I should talk the wife into a second car and boost that .

My dilema as well. I drove an ESS charged Mach 1 last week, it was FUN, but I still worry about my car. My car is so well balanced and fun on a twisty road right now, I can't even use the power I have. I am to the point of leaving mine alone. The headers and tune make it a riot to drive already, loud, reasonably fast and handles really well. I need to do some AutoX and get my feet wet in organized track events..

 

[DAVECS1]

A supercharged car is not instantly junk for hdpe, but how long and how hard you can run are affected. It does become a bit of an engineering exercise. You need appropriate cooling for the additional power, or for the length of time you plan on running. Also there are trade offs you can make with frequent fluid changes and what not. Last but not least probably a semi adjustable suspension is in order as weight will move and rear traction changes. For example, on my ride, I changed over to coil overs to reset ride height. I changed the front subframe to lower the engine and change up the height of the lower arm mounting points. I added a manual trans and engine oil cooler. Also deleted the stock engine oil cooler. The PP1 comes with a great radiator. Lastly the tune is critical, critical. I do this professionally so I was able to do my own. I have different tuning for weather and tracks. Also harmonic balancer and timing components are pretty strongly suggested for sustained rpm. Long story short it can be done but a host of parts and tuning come with the more you want to push.

 

[gorditas]

I know you specifically asked about a PD blower, but I went TT on my Mach 1, and it has been great. I'm still on my stock clutch, even after a full season last year that involved the drag strip, road course, and roll racing. I think a lot of that is being able to control the boost on the fly.

Here is a link to my post about roll racing. You can find my other posts about the install by searching my profile.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/what-did-you-do-to-your-mach-1-today.171200/post-4344613

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