2016 Camaro Official Specs!!!

[04SloSnake]

Yes, I have people at Bremerhaven...


I was NCOIC of Vehicle Transport in Germany...

Nice. I need to stay somewhere long enough to make contacts like this. Okinawa just better not be that place.

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[Niz55]

I am in love with the blue one. Hope they come out with the 1le package and the mustang will be up for sale.

 

[15wile]

A few noted and errata:

1. ThePill, how's that crow taste? I'm sure you've got plenty of salt for it.

2. Still not interested. Don't like the look, loathe the interior, and have not had good experiences with GM in the past. So I'll pass, thank you. Call me a fanboy if you want, but this is a Mustang6G forum. If anyone doesn't like it, they can eat from the same roadkill pile ThePill is munching on.

3. Why all the butthurt? We all knew it was probably going to be faster. Do you forget that 5 years ago, we were stuck with a 4.6L V8 that put out a hair over 300 horse? Your 5.0 didn't magically go slower, or lose awesomeness because someone else released something faster.

4. I called it by saying the SS was going to weigh close to the GT. Given that somebody wants to give John Kerry a Nobel Peace prize for having a face carved out of Botox, I'll take my own award now, thank you very much. My achievement is at least as notable as being the biggest dufus this side of Joe Biden's armpit.

5. The 2.0 Camaro will sound like a fart. And it's not faster than the Ecoboost. The only thing worse than a fast fart is a slow, lingering fart with a free ass-hair mullet.

6. If Ford doesn't retire the 3.7L V6 next year, I'll be very surprised. It's dead weight, at this point.

7. The Camaro is anywhere from $2000 to $5000 more expensive in comparable trims. Performance for the dollar, baby. $5000 is most the way to a Procharger kit. It's not chump change. If you charge $5000 more for your product it better damn well be faster. Mustangs will continue to sell well for this reason alone.

8. Ford will do something for 2017. What, I don't know.

9. Base GT350s are in the same ballpark as maxed-out SSs now. F*ck me, I want a GT350, but don't have $50k laying around.

Summary? Stop worrying, enjoy your Mustangs, and don't fret. Unless you're ThePill. Although, I suppose there's probably some magical arcane automotive formula that makes him the next Nostradamus or something. The square root of Subway Jared's anus in prison, combined with the leftover taco fart my dog expelled, minus the derivative of the floor mats, means that the Camaro is really 8000lbs, and half the speed of a Mustang.

Eat your crow, good sir. The rest of you, enjoy your Mustangs.

 

[Fox5.0]

^^ kinda late buddy

 

[15wile]

^^ kinda late buddy

I know, I know. I missed the big show. Haven't been around for awhile and need to catch up on my fart jokes.

 

[04SloSnake]

I love how people are still acting like the GT was the fastest car in 2015. People act like the Challenger Scat Pack doesn't even exist, and the new Camero will struggle to beat it too.

 

[5-OH]

Lets just put it this way, I'm glad Chevrolet is building a car that looks this good on paper (although the front is going to take some getting used to) with all that weight savings and power it just means Ford will have to step up to the plate that much further.

It's a good time to be a car guy end of story.

 

[15wile]

I love how people are still acting like the GT was the fastest car in 2015. People act like the Challenger Scat Pack doesn't even exist, and the new Camero will struggle to beat it too.

Dodge's philosophy is kind of hilarious, actually. Too slow? MOAR MOTOR.

Everybody else considers weight, aerodynamics, technology, etc... Nope, not Dodge. You're driving a land yacht with an ass that dwarfs Rosie O'Donnell. But if you put enough motor in it, it still moves. I wouldn't buy one, but it does amuse me.

 

[Kbreese]

Dodge's philosophy is kind of hilarious, actually. Too slow? MOAR MOTOR.

Everybody else considers weight, aerodynamics, technology, etc... Nope, not Dodge. You're driving a land yacht with an ass that dwarfs Rosie O'Donnell. But if you put enough motor in it, it still moves. I wouldn't buy one, but it does amuse me.

LOL, this is pretty funny, and mostly true.

MO-PAR is pronounced "MO POWR" by their Engineering team which keeps concluding that to be the answer for success.

 

[Asharus]

love them scat pack challys and chargers tho

 

[thePill]

A few noted and errata:

1. ThePill, how's that crow taste? I'm sure you've got plenty of salt for it.

2. Still not interested. Don't like the look, loathe the interior, and have not had good experiences with GM in the past. So I'll pass, thank you. Call me a fanboy if you want, but this is a Mustang6G forum. If anyone doesn't like it, they can eat from the same roadkill pile ThePill is munching on.

Eating crow? Not likely... Do I need to stick around to point out the car gained 100lbs like the ATS-V did? Yes... but no worries, I have spare time.

I am certainly not eating crow on MSRP, nor do any of the dimensions make me feel I need to do so. thePill isn't eating crow about the brakes and tire situation... or the potential cooling issue/radiator bandaid. Those two topics seem to be widely in acceptance now. I'm not eating any crow seeing it's based on the CTS and in did in fact require a track increase. I also don't particularly care for Chevy's decision to leave out convertible support in order to claim a lower curb weight... because it will in fact settle at (3780-3820). Or seeing the ATS-V run a 1:40 with Randy driving... that puts the SS very close to a GTPP, even a fully loaded Premium :lol:

What thePill needs to do now?

Other than watch Motor Trend masked the GT350TP's results in a GT350R vs. z28 H2H... for some strange reason... (because it beat the z28).

The same thing I did with the ATS-V... the first 1SS weighed will be 3803lbs with the lighter exhaust (says Chevy), MRC and far from loaded. The ATS-B doesn't weigh 3700lbs, it is between 3780-3820lbs, heavier due to content. Camaro is the same weight due to mass...


This will be another "thePill was right" episode... I just need to be patient...

 

[Nataphen]

What Camaro are they using to advertise that they've dropped 223lbs.? That would put the "lightest fifth gen SS" at 3908lbs. when they've weighed a 1LE with options at 3880lbs. Is the 1LE lighter than the lightest fifth gen base SS?

In my opinion, the car weighing 3685lbs. isn't going to touch the 1LE on a road course based on tire setup alone. The MRC and big brake equipped SS should pull it off, but those options and the larger wheels and tires may add 100lbs.+ to the base 3685lbs. Now, we're looking at the 3800lbs. range before adding any of the luxury equipment. It should handily out perform the GTPP though. There's no denying that.

GM went to some pretty great lengths to drop weight on this car. I really think they've outdone Ford in the ingenuity department in their weight management. They've reduced fastener length to minimum requirements, brazed the roof seams instead of welding them, created more complex single piece structure sections rather than welding several smaller pieces together. They've done a good job.

The next big step for the Mustang is increased utilization of aluminum. They can use it for the subframes, the few remaining steel body panels, maybe add a CF roof, and possibly very soon a lithium ion battery if the prices of them keep plummeting like they are now (thanks EV segment). Ford could potentially get the aluminum and CF costs down with their efforts in reducing production complexity and costs for them. Not to mention their recent partnership with the largest aluminum supplier in the US.

We all know that the power deficit is only an intake manifold swap away. A Boss or CJ style IM and an ECU tune could easily put the GT at 450hp 400tq with a 7500RPM+ rev limit. With the 10 speed auto or 3.55-3.73 gears in the manual, I'd put that engine setup against the LT1s predicted 12.3 ET any day. I said from the time that the 2015 was released that I felt that Ford was holding back. I still think that's very likely.

 

[thaext]

Well, the Camaro managed to utterly pwn the Mustang. According to car and driver, 0-60 in 3.9 secs.. Lol, it's funny how it matches the 0-60 in the gt350.

Ford really dropped the ball and everybody knows it unless you're a blind fanboi.

 

[Voodoo]

Well, the Camaro managed to utterly pwn the Mustang. According to car and driver, 0-60 in 3.9 secs.. Lol, it's funny how it matches the 0-60 in the gt350.

Ford really dropped the ball and everybody knows it unless you're a blind fanboi.

If its making money then Ford strategy makes sense. And by the looks of things, they are selling a lot of Mustangs without investing unnecessary amount of money on superlight weight material. Saying "they dropped the ball" makes sense only if they aren't selling the cars. 80% of the people that will be buying these cars don't care about 0-60 numbers or how it performs on the track, most look at price points and how the car looks.

 

[oustaz]

If its making money then Ford strategy makes sense. And by the looks of things, they are selling a lot of Mustangs without investing unnecessary amount of money on superlight weight material. Saying "they dropped the ball" makes sense only if they aren't selling the cars. 80% of the people that will be buying these cars don't care about 0-60 numbers or how it performs on the track, most look at price points and how the car looks.

Another fanboy....

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