what person in their right mind that gives a shit about 1/4 times buys 20s? That's the stupidest idea for drag racing. 20s are better suited for people that care about cruising. 15-17s are for people that care about drag racing. Hell even 18s are popular enough for drag racing. 20s? That's moronic.
Yeah, I was just saying you probably could come fairly close to the SS performance without even spending that much money. You're going to need a new set of tires eventually, anyways, when you do, just get some better ones (preferably on wider wheels).
Hell with that. 20s are stupid period. 19s are bordering on stupid. :lol:
19s are necessary to clear the calipers in the GT PP, but other than that, yeah. Bigger wheels are stupid if you're interested in performance of any kind (drag racing OR closed circuit racing). You should get the smallest wheels possible that will clear your calipers.
The issue is that GM lost weight (over 200 lbs), so why didn't the Mustang? In fact, the Mustang seemed to have packed on the lbs. That's a competitive failure.
I've looked around and seen the typical manual owner not being able to manage the 4.4, many more around the 4.7-4.9 mark. Whether than be the monitoring system in the car, or the actual speed, who knows. The auto owners though, I see hitting around 4.4. That difference is similar to the spread listed for the camaro. However just as you said "some best run GTs .1 sec behind", there will be Camaros running faster than advertised.
As soon as you mod it, you lose the warranty. Looking at the issues board, there seems to be quite a few, so that's not a good idea. Also, what's keeping the Camaro owner from modding? Unless he's buying the car straight up in cash, his ~$40 more spent on his auto loan per month won't disallow him to buy his mods.
I know they are, im avoiding the stupid PP pack because of the ridiculous 6 piston weight and boat anchor wheels. I ditched the 6 piston on my 14 gt500 too. Aerospace kit will be in my future. I always find it funny when people put anything bigger then 18s on any performance car when they care about going fast in any fashion. I wish auto manufacturers would stop too.
Unless I've missed something, Ford doesn't have any "official" 0-60 times for the Mustang GT. So there is no comparison there. The 4.4 was a magazine-measured time. No magazine I've read ever even managed to hit Chevy's advertised 3.8-s 0-60 for the Corvette Z51, so I doubt many people will beat their 4.3 time for the Camaro, either, but we'll see. That's the point I was making before -- Chevy tends to be very liberal with their reported performance numbers. I'm not calling them liars, but that 4.0/4.3 is likely the absolute best anyone will ever be capable of doing -- best driver in the best conditions.
Like I said earlier, this entirely depends on your priorities. If your primary interest is factory performance, and you are cool with spending $4-6K more, then sure.
You cant go by the track apps. They are not accurate. I can tell you don't drag race at all. You have no proof there is going to be Camaros running faster then advertised. Don't speak in absolutes. That's just foolish. You sure like your peak numbers. 20hp and more torque doesn't mean its drastically faster. The 16 Camaro being a better buy is subjective, not factual, stop it. :tsk:
15-inch brakes are a waste if you're into drag racing or autocross, but they're pretty damn useful for a heavy, high-powered car if you do track days on closed circuits... Hell, I wouldn't even mind if they were another .5 inches bigger (although it will likely be a while before I get good enough to push these 15-inchers to their limits). The main point of brakes that size is to avoid fade... but of course they will also improve stopping distances if you beef up your tires, too.
The Camaro started as a pig so it HAD to lose weight to stay competitive to the redesigned Mustang. The Mustang added IRS so gained a few pounds- well worth the few pound gain. They're STILL only 20 pounds apart- 3685 vs 3705.
I'm not talking users, the SS has no in-hand user testing yet since it's not out yet. You go hunt and peck the best media times and I pointed to my source where a manual GT ran a 4.4 0-60 clear as day. The SS best time they could find so far was 4.3.
So you're concerned about going as fast as possible, but warranty too? Oxymorons. Anyone racing their car trying to go faster and faster has already voided their warranty trying to go faster. It's irrelevant. Anyone concerned about their warranty aren't drag racing their cars so 0-60 and quarter mile mean nothing to begin with.
I think the PP has its place, but for most people those larger brakes are a bit of a waste. At least there are SOME 18s that cleared the gt500s 6 piston and large rotors. I wouldn't be shocked if the same wheels that cleared the 13-14 gt500s clear the PP brake hardware. Forgestars were popular for that reason and any other wheel with a similar barrel
The ATS-V, with nearly identical power and more weight, in the same chassis with the same transmission has done it in 4.1 and 3.9.
The 4.4 0-60 was the only real good test of a new 5.0, most are in the high 4 second range. There have been two auto tests, both were 4.5.
You are comparing one test, which was not the normal for the 5.0. Going by consistent numbers, manual for manual the Camaro will have a real world difference of more like .5, half a second is a lot, when comparing 4.3 and 4.8 (which is the most common stat). Plus, what about 1/4 mile? As far as I have read even the best 1/4 mile published is 12.9 for the 5.0. I know I have seen one 12.9 and a bunch of 13.0 and 13.1. That puts the manual Camaro again, about .5, or half a second faster. Theres no denying the Camaro should be a good deal quicker. I mean nearly the same weight, 20 more hp and 55 more tq isn't "nothing to worry about". I really hope Ford has something up it's sleeve for '17....
But you need to remember, mods can void your warranty. Not everyone wants to lose that. Or deal with having to go to the aftermarket to have a competitive car.
