New GTD Ring Time - Your Move GM

[MAGS1]

Video went private now? What's up with that?

Good chance Ford said something to him

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[9secondko]

The car really needed more power. The fact that it was in the conversation with 250 less horsepower and being 500lbs heavier shows you how next level that suspension is. I wouldn't be surprised either if the stock ZR1 HP numbers are underrated.

the zr1 is underrated customer dynos consistently see rear wheel numbers very close to the advertised crank numbers. It’s a beast.

The GTD definitely needs more power. Pretty sure Ford addressed that in this recent run. More power, updated aero, and what may possibly be a new track package that comes with specialized tires.

you have to give the corvette team props. Pretending they didn’t earn it is just sticking our heads in the ground and hoping it just goes away. Then attacking people just for not being sheep and recognizing unbiased greatness anywhere it’s found is embarrassing themselves.

but if the GTD can replicate this win on other tracks and in customer hands, then multimatic and ford can really up the hype. It just want earned last time around. Hopefully it will now. So many of us hyped the gtd only to get crushed literally right when it came out. Would be nice to get some shine back.

 

[WItoTX]

Good chance Ford said something to him

"Dude, WTF, we weren't even close to that time" LOLOLOL

 

[lo-fi]

Something that gets glazed over constantly is that almost every reviewer, that I listened to, preferred the GTD to the corvette. Driving experience is king.

Before anyone says something about reviewers, doesn't matter, cause you ain't never going to drive one

 

[Dragster]

Before anyone says something about reviewers, doesn't matter, cause you ain't never going to drive one

So true. At least you can order a ZR1 if you actually want one instead of having to be picked for the privilege of handing over 400K to Ford.

 

[9secondko]

Something that gets glazed over constantly is that almost every reviewer, that I listened to, preferred the GTD to the corvette. Driving experience is king.

Before anyone says something about reviewers, doesn't matter, cause you ain't never going to drive one

I think, personally, the front engine feel is more… fun. More like this is MY hot rod, versus you’re driving a high reformable thing. Just personal opinion. I’ve driven the new Bette, Porsche, and a heavily modified paintera. But I prefer the front engine mustang to them all if I just want to go for a drive.

That said, if I’m spending GTD money, that feel won’t cut it. It needs to stomp cars less expensive than it is.

I was super into the gym when it was announced. Race car that had been prepped for the steeet? I’m… OK! Destroy Porsche at the Ring? I’m down!

815 HP… excuse me?
Turns out it’s just a mustang with the ol’ reliable DSSV SUSPENSION, transaxle, and a body kit… what?!?

then the ZR1 starts prowling the perimeter. All of a sudden my great pride and joy was the prey instead of the predator. And the zr1 is 100k CHEAPER. And Chevy makes it in house. It dominates every American track and whoops the guts at the ring.

and it has over a thousand horsepower and over 800 torque … AT THE WHEELS.

HECK NO.

So YES we got whooped. Yes gm deserves credit for great vehicles that even humbled the fastest electric cars.

but Ford can do that too. They just need to want to. Historically Ford has sat in its butt when there was no competition and phoned it in. The gate was enough to CONPETE with Porsche but not win. The zr1 came along and ate all their lunches and had them pay it for the privilege.

So Ford upgraded. Looks like it’s working out -on the Ring at least. I doubt that’s the last run also. But how will it do at VIR? How will it do in a straight line?

it MUST have satisfactory answers to those questions. Sounds like a supercharger upgrade. Appears to have better aero and tire.

We hope that’s enough.

still begs the question of why cord doesn’t go all in on twin turbos and hybrid. Not like the price tag doesn’t cover it.

these are both things we thought ford would do prior to hard specs. Did not happen.

it’s time to get serious. And no, we don’t need a half-million dollar car to match or exceed a 209k one, whether it wears a mustang badge or a GT ONE.

IN THE MEANTIME, here’s hoping the new gtd can at least compete in more than one benchmark. The YouTube guys driving both on same road same day like the guys but also admit it can’t even touch the zr1. That needs to be rectified asap - or just change the name and sell it for the DHSC price tag.

 

[SnowFox]

GTD isn't beating the Corvette on tracks here in the states...

Because nearly nobody gives a shit about how well a car does on a U.S. track..even if you do well at say..Luguna or whatever .somebody just pops up to remind you it's not the Nuremberg.

unless you have a Budweiser Flag and a Kid rock Album nobody really cares what a car does on state side tracks.

 

[robvas]

Because nearly nobody gives a shit about how well a car does on a U.S. track..even if you do well at say..Luguna or whatever .somebody just pops up to remind you it's not the Nuremberg.

unless you have a Budweiser Flag and a Kid rock Album nobody really cares what a car does on state side tracks.

No, it's just slower in every test done so far.

 

[Dragster]

Because nearly nobody gives a shit about how well a car does on a U.S. track..even if you do well at say..Luguna or whatever .somebody just pops up to remind you it's not the Nuremberg.

People that actually track their cars care more about what it does on tracks here versus a track they will most likely never drive. Internet bench racers care more about the ‘Ring than anyone else, IMO.

 

[RiverCityRambler]

I'm just saying, this isn't a stock car, so there's no real point in flaunting the times.


The ZR1X time isn't an offical time either. It was filed under prototype/Pre-Production so.

Look it up.

 

[robvas]

Look it up

Sure thing.


The Corvettes at the Nürburgring were all U.S. production-spec vehicles, with the only modifications being the safety equipment recommended by the track. This includes a roll hoop, full containment race seat, fire extinguisher, and a six-point safety harness. All three set lap times for the Prototype/Pre-Production category, since the ZR1 and ZR1X are not sold in Europe and the Z06 was a North American variant.

Again, the GTD in the test we are talking about is not a production spec car without modifications.

 

[MAGS1]

Again, the GTD in the test we are talking about is not a production spec car without modifications.

You don’t know that for sure. They’ve already mentioned upgrading to the Whipple for the customer production cars. Wouldn’t surprise me if the extra dive planes become an option for the HP/track trim (and they might already, I don’t have an allocation so I have no idea what the options actually are). And the tires could very well be Cup2R’s that have been shaved down.

The fact of the matter is, we don’t know what the car is actually equipped with and whether all of that is or will be offered to the customers with allocations and won’t know until Ford releases that info.

 

[robvas]

Again, the sidewalls indicate they are pilot GT's and not cup 2's

We don't know what's done to the car, but the consensus is that it's not stock. And that's my whole point.

But like you said, until we know....

 

[lo-fi]

People that actually track their cars care more about what it does on tracks here versus a track they will most likely never drive. Internet bench racers care more about the ‘Ring than anyone else, IMO.

Those people shouldn’t unless they are actually going to fork over $400k.

Has any regular posting forum member actually bought one?

Almost everyone is an internet bench racer where the GTD is concerned. Heck, the overwhelming majority of buyers aren’t going anywhere near a track.

 

[9secondko]

Because nearly nobody gives a shit about how well a car does on a U.S. track..even if you do well at say..Luguna or whatever .somebody just pops up to remind you it's not the Nuremberg.

unless you have a Budweiser Flag and a Kid rock Album nobody really cares what a car does on state side tracks.

actually we do. Comparing a number of tracks as an aggregate of performance tells the story. Not one single target.

tracks with many challenging turns, tracks either long straights, drag times, etc.

We don’t buy a supercar (even if only in our dreams) for what it can do on ONE track that most of us will never drive it on.

limiting all actual comparisons to just ine track because you happen to do well there is just a cop out.

now… on the plus side, the updated GTD looks and sounds like it has a huge power upgrade. That’s been the issue from the beginning (that and the suboptimal suspension mounting points, but I digress). So it may surprise even in a straight line. I expect the zr1 will still outgun it at high speeds, but the GTD will now at least be competitive (maybe even better) in a straight line and in tracks with long straights.

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