Has oil weight change for Coyote Gen 3?

[Fly2High]

I have heard some say that the oil weight has changed for the Gen 3 Coyote V8.
Obviously I am most concerned with a 2019 .
Is this true?

Is the recommended oil, from the dealer/factory, still 5W-20?

Any proof of the change?


Is this change related to oil consumption? I have heard that some Coyotes consume oil but not due to worn parts. Something to do with the amount of vaccum, pressure or something. Not exactly sure.

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[EFI]

I believe 2021 and up they stopped recommending different oil for street and track (5w20 and 5w30 respectively) and just went to a straight 5w30 across the board for all usage.

It's right in the manual, so yes there's proof.

 

[Fly2High]

For the 2019, I thought they went for 5W-50 for track. My year they recommend removing it when returning to normal driving. Wonder why..

I also understand they made other changes too. I wonder if some of those changes were required to support the hgher weight.

For me, I am not sure I would assume an earlier Coyote to have the same as a later.

Now, if everyone with the earlier gen 3 was told by their dealer to up the oil weight and there was some bulletin requiring this, then I would feel good about the change.

Thakn you for the head's up on the newer engines.

 

[LCK22GT]

2022 Gen 3 Coyote

 

[Fly2High]

DId they change the requirements it in the earlier years?

Post 2021+ might have been engineered to require it. Just want to be safe. My car is nearly 6 years old and I have less than 15K miles on it. It is a daily but I only work 5 miles away so the oil barely warms up in the 10-15 min drive.

 

[EFI]

For the 2019, I thought they went for 5W-50 for track. My year they recommend removing it when returning to normal driving. Wonder why..

The last time they recommended a 5w50 on track for the 5.0 was in 2014. Since 2015, the on track recommendation has been 5w30 then back to 5w20 for street use.

No-one has been able to determine any internal changes (whether to hard parts or clearances) to the Coyote in 2021 that would merit a change in viscosity.

You will be fine to use 5w30 in your car, especially since you're more than likely out of any warranty. I don't know of a single engine that blew up purely due to the use of slightly thicker 5w30. Heck, alot of people on here run 0w40 or 5w50 all the time and it's fine. Back in 2011 and 2012 Ford also specified both 5w20 and 5w50 for the same engine, so clearly it's not an issue.

 

[Robottrainer]

The last time they recommended a 5w50 on track for the 5.0 was in 2014. Since 2015, the on track recommendation has been 5w30 then back to 5w20 for street use.

No-one has been able to determine any internal changes (whether to hard parts or clearances) to the Coyote in 2021 that would merit a change in viscosity.

You will be fine to use 5w30 in your car, especially since you're more than likely out of any warranty. I don't know of a single engine that blew up purely due to the use of slightly thicker 5w30. Heck, alot of people on here run 0w40 or 5w50 all the time and it's fine. Back in 2011 and 2012 Ford also specified both 5w20 and 5w50 for the same engine, so clearly it's not an issue.

With the Ford Performance/Roush Stage 2 SC kit they up the viscosity to 5W50

 

[Fly2High]

You are right. I was mixing up the 4 cyl turbo with the oil spec for the V8. yes, the V8 track use in my owner's manual does say to use 5W-30 for track use.

Why do they say to drain and replace with 5W-20 after a track day?

It would have been better if they simply gave a temp graph with both oils listed and leave it to the owner to choose which oil to use based on temps.

 

[Robottrainer]

You are right. I was mixing up the 4 cyl turbo with the oil spec for the V8. yes, the V8 track use in my owner's manual does say to use 5W-30 for track use.

Why do they say to drain and replace with 5W-20 after a track day?

It would have been better if they simply gave a temp graph with both oils listed and leave it to the owner to choose which oil to use based on temps.

5w20 in my opinion is Ford being bound to meet CAFE requirement. Heavier oil uses more fuel. I think they are obliged to state that in the manual.

 

[EFI]

Why do they say to drain and replace with 5W-20 after a track day?

It would have been better if they simply gave a temp graph with both oils listed and leave it to the owner to choose which oil to use based on temps.

Because they assume people are dumb, so to simplify things they just recommend based on usage.

As mentioned, the 5w20 recommendation is purely for CAFE standards, and to get you to 60,000 miles. Ford doesn't care about long term reliability of your engine, they just need to get through the warranty period and nothing more.

 

[MAGS1]

Honestly, the difference between 5w20 and 5w30 is pretty negligible for street driving. Gen 3 originally started with 5w20 and changed over to 5w30 in sometime in 2021 (I believe mid yearish). Use whichever you prefer. If you do oil changes at a dealership, they will go by the filler cap unless you tell them differently.

 

[Skye]

https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/quickref/oilchartUS.pdf

^ This chart will give engine, oil weight and Model Year. Updated a few months ago.

https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/resources/quickreferencecharts

 

[KeyLime]

DId they change the requirements it in the earlier years?

Post 2021+ might have been engineered to require it. Just want to be safe. My car is nearly 6 years old and I have less than 15K miles on it. It is a daily but I only work 5 miles away so the oil barely warms up in the 10-15 min drive.

The small change in viscosity between the 5-20 and 5-30 isn't an issue. But if you're not getting the oil up to temp you can accumulate moisture in the oil from blow by. An occasional longer run to get the oil temp up and boil off the moisture would be good.

 

[GTP]

I ran the recommended 5w20 when my car was new, even for its first track day at 800 miles on the odo.
Then once the later GT's and Mach1's recommended 5w30, I switched to that.
I now run 5w30 daily if I expect to get the full oil life before the next track day.

I run 0w40 for track days now that I have steady CHT of 228F with extra oil cooler. I looked at the oil viscosity vs temperature nomograph to conclude that the viscosity is that same as for 5w20 at DD CHT temp (if that makes sense to you). I am a very mellow driver on the street, puttering around in Normal mode.

This year I plan to send used oil off for analysis after 2-4 track days in a row, just to see if the viscosity drops at all. I'm hoping to not do so many track oil changes in spite of the monitor reaching 0% by halfway through the second track day. It just seems excessive. I also put so few DD miles between track days that I may just run 0w40 all the time.

Still trying to figure out my best approach given my circumstances.

 

[Noleftist]

You are right. I was mixing up the 4 cyl turbo with the oil spec for the V8. yes, the V8 track use in my owner's manual does say to use 5W-30 for track use.

Why do they say to drain and replace with 5W-20 after a track day?

It would have been better if they simply gave a temp graph with both oils listed and leave it to the owner to choose which oil to use based on temps.

EPA
For my research, the only reason to use these lightweight oils is to appease the EPA and destroy your engine! Or if you only care about getting the absolute most power out of your engine at the cost of longevity.
If you want your engine to last, going with a thicker viscosity fluid is better unless you live somewhere like Alaska or something where it stays truly cold.
5w-50
5w is good down to -25 degrees F.
The 50 is great for heat, such as a hot climat, racing or HPDE.
Changing your oil at 5000 miles or less is one of the most important things.
I personally have gone to Mobil 1 Supercar 5W 50.
I also read that it is best to change your transmission fluid and differential fluid more often than the manual says also. Especially with the 10r80. My impression is that getting rid of most of the metal shavings and replacing it with new transmission fluid can slow down the 10r80 self-destruction.

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