NEW Hoosier 200TW tire: TrackAttack Pro

[DougS550]

Odd comparison to make as the R888R hasn't been relevant in years.
That being said, I think it's safe to assume this new Hoosier will blow the R888R out of the water in every aspect.

I know where Doug was going with that and I was interested to see what response he got ...

What would be your recommendation for the best track tyre, for (dry) use on the street, that's available in 20", in typical mustang widths and profiles ?

Cheers,

WD

I will give them a hard look "IF" these tires show they perform better in "No Warm Up Conditions" for maximum grip in straight forward and quick turning manuvering situations such as spirited driving on the street would require. I have to say though, besides this forum, shops around here like Slate Performance who build 1000hp street Cars on a regular basis just told me they only use and recommend R888R tires only, until some "Shows/proves to them" their is a better, no warm up tires, which provides better grip/performance.

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[Ewheels]

I will give them a hard look "IF" these tires show they perform in "No Warm Up Conditions" for maximum grip in straight forward and quick turning manuvering such as spirited driving on the street would require. I have to say though, besides this forum, shops around here like Slate Performance who build 1000hp street Cars on a regular basis just told me that they only use and recommend R888R tires only, until some "Shows/proves to them" their is a better, no warm up tires, which provides better grip/performance.

That all might be well and true. I assumed we were talking about road course/autox use as that's the thread section we're in.
I have no knowledge about best tires for straight-line racers.

 

[mavisky]

What would be your recommendation for the best track tyre, for (dry) use on the street, that's available in 20", in typical mustang widths and profiles ?

Track tire = 3R, A052, RE71RS, this new Hoosier, RT660, etc.
Street tire = PS4S. Not competitive on track but it'll get the job done. ECS, V730 (much better on track than PS4S but not to the same pace as the above tires)

First, I wouldn't be shopping 20's unless you have a GT500. GT350's should be on 19's or 18's if you want to drop $5K on a brake swap. Everyone else should be on 18's for the track for a combination of less weight and more sidewall for hitting rumble strips without as much concern.

Ewheels has a great list, but I'd break this out a little further into the following:

Track tire for competition = Supercar 3R, A052, RE71RS, this new Hoosier, Cup2R, Trofeo R
Track tire for fast lap times but not cutting edge - RT660, Cup2, Trofeo RS, V730, Supercar 3
Street tire = PS4S is probably the gold standard here, but also Potenza Sport, Advan Apex V601, and the Continental Extremecontact Sport 02

 

[mavisky]

I will give them a hard look "IF" these tires show they perform better in "No Warm Up Conditions" for maximum grip in straight forward and quick turning manuvering situations such as spirited driving on the street would require. I have to say though, besides this forum, shops around here like Slate Performance who build 1000hp street Cars on a regular basis just told me they only use and recommend R888R tires only, until some "Shows/proves to them" their is a better, no warm up tires, which provides better grip/performance.

That's the realm that the R888R lives in. I know Fathouse still uses them on a lot of their cars. They've got a stiff enough sidewall and at regular street temperatures they do a good job of hooking up while having better cornering capabilities than a true drag radial would.

As mentioned though we're in the Road Course, Track, Autocross, and HPDE forum here and the R888R's haven't been relevant there for years. I wouldn't expect these Hoosiers to supplant the R888R for the specific use case of having an assload of power and randomly and unexpectedly getting into a roll race encounter on the highway.

I can guarantee you that any of the modern 200tw autocross/trackday tires would make a mockery of the R888R on any "quick turning and maneuvering situations" though at any temps above 40 degrees F on anything under 700hp.

 

[tosha]

Street tire = PS4S. Not competitive on track but it'll get the job done. ECS, V730 (much better on track than PS4S but not to the same pace as the above tires)

Yeah, I wouldn't put V730 in street tire class at all. It turns into a semi slick in no time, and I don't think it's drivable in the rain. It's also faster than a number of other 200tw tires. In my experience, great tire for consistent lapping at very good pace. Would never put it on street car

 

[mavisky]

Yeah, I wouldn't put V730 in street tire class at all. It turns into a semi slick in no time, and I don't think it's drivable in the rain. It's also faster than a number of other 200tw tires. In my experience, great tire for consistent lapping at very good pace. Would never put it on street car

Agreed. I Atilla have a leftover set in my garage and even halfway through the season people looking at the outside tire edge thought I was on slicks. As you can see they're not even to the wear indicators. This was about 16 autocross events total I believe between a couple organizations and a year and a half in time. Obviously got very sketchy to drive to events on these tires as any moisture was a bad situation. They did eventually fall off on time but still stayed very grippy and never needed sprayed with cooling water like the Yokohamas do.

 

[DougS550]

Agreed. I Atilla have a leftover set in my garage and even halfway through the season people looking at the outside tire edge thought I was on slicks. As you can see they're not even to the wear indicators. This was about 16 autocross events total I believe between a couple organizations and a year and a half in time. Obviously got very sketchy to drive to events on these tires as any moisture was a bad situation. They did eventually fall off on time but still stayed very grippy and never needed sprayed with cooling water like the Yokohamas do.

I'm not a track person but couldn't you adjust the camber/toe to even the wear on the one tire? Just wondering

 

[mavisky]

I'm not a track person but couldn't you adjust the camber/toe to even the wear on the one tire? Just wondering

They're worn perfectly. The outer treadblocks are molded shallower so they wear smooth. You can see them on the left when brand new here. One of the reasons I wouldn't recommend them for daily use at all.

 

[mustanghammer]

My preference would be for the SCCA to not change their specifications to allow this new tire or any other new tire like it to be used in classes where 200TW tire are required. The specs are clearly provided in the rule book. It is up to the manufacturers to build a product that meets the published spec. It isn't like there aren't plenty of tire brands out there that meet SCCA tread depth and void area specs to choose from.

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