Why the Mach1 is a rip off

[Atlas1]

Until you get passed on track by a $10k cheaper/lighter camaro...
That is the problem, 1SS 1LE has been around for years and ford answered late, overweight, and over budget.

If the camaro is such a better value in comparison to the mustang why doesn’t it sell very well?

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[Strokerswild]

If the camaro is such a better value in comparison to the mustang why doesn’t it sell very well?

The singular reason in my mind is that the non-ZL1 trims are hideous.

 

[shogun32]

If the camaro is such a better value in comparison to the mustang why doesn’t it sell very well?

stupid car buyers choose on external looks and brand ideology/identity and cabin glass instead of buying for technical excellence at significant price discount.

Marketing at GM still can't figure out why people buy the clearly inferior/overpriced Mustang and Dodge over the tour-de-force that is the Camaro.

I bought both. within mere months of each other. I bought the Mustang first because of 'looks' to be honest and because it was cheap and I fully intended to mod the suspension. Plus the incessant harping on this forum about visibility etc. Then I actually mustered the nerve to try the Camaro and realized, WTF did I buy a Mustang for? But the Mustang now with $2000+ worth of suspension and various fixes ($36+3=39k) is close enough to the Camaro ($38.5k) that I'm willing to keep both. And why not, I get to drive them both back to back and enjoy their quirks. If I wanted a third sedan I'd buy a Stinger or WideBody Challenger with Tremec in a heartbeat. But at some point how many cars can 1 person drive and campaign on a track, and also ride motorcycles?

 

[jake_zx2]

My Mach is in production and I ordered the redlines already. Had them on my 15gt and it Just feels nicer.

I already got the Ford Performance ones, just for the sake of having all Ford parts on the car. I’ll probably get a Ford Performance catch can as well

Until you get passed on track by a $10k cheaper/lighter camaro...
That is the problem, 1SS 1LE has been around for years and ford answered late, overweight, and over budget.

You can blame the GT350 for that. PP2 answered the 1LE in 2018, and was faster while costing the same. The issue was that Ford had to neuter the PP2 so that it didn’t compete too closely with the GT350, so it was never really able to meet its full potential. But I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if a standard Mach 1 runs just behind a 1LE, while a handling package beats it

But regardless, some people just don’t want Camaros, myself included. For me, the minor benefits don’t change that fact that it’s an ergonomic nightmare with awful amenities and ridiculously small windows that you can’t even fit a helmet through (meaning a crash on track could mean death if you get knocked unconscious, door gets bashed and stuck closed, and car is on fire)

 

[jake_zx2]

stupid car buyers choose on external looks and brand ideology/identity and cabin glass instead of buying for technical excellence at significant price discount.

You don’t have to project your own outlook onto everyone else, you can just say that you’re a stupid car buyer

Some people like to consider the overall enjoyability of the driving experience, and a lot of that can be things like ergonomics, visibility, usability, and so on. The valley in performance between the Mustang and Camaro isn’t vast, but the valley in all those other measures certainly is. I know I find it hard to enjoy a car when I’m constantly swearing at it’s infotainment screen, or bashing my head on a fender because the picture frame I just bought won’t fit in the microscopic trunk opening, or hoping and praying I don’t Gip the curb that I can’t fuckin see and can’t back away from because someone else is right on my ass and won’t let me back up. And no, it’s not always about “just getting used to it”... I have 5 cars, I don’t get used to any of their downfalls

 

[Johnnydarkgt350]

Don’t forget a differential cooler, too.

Curious as to what the opinions are that the total cost to purchase all these items and have them professionally installed with labor would be compared to actually buying one with all the items on it? Then you still have the blue book of a Mustang GT . Also a modified one ,at at resale to some is worth less.

 

[Porsche Dude]

stupid car buyers choose on external looks and brand ideology/identity and cabin glass instead of buying for technical excellence at significant price discount.

Marketing at GM still can't figure out why people buy the clearly inferior/overpriced Mustang and Dodge over the tour-de-force that is the Camaro.

I bought both. within mere months of each other. I bought the Mustang first because of 'looks' to be honest and the incessant harping on this forum about visibility etc. Then I actually mustered the nerve to try the Camaro and realized, WTF did I buy a Mustang for? But the Mustang now with $2000+ worth of suspension and various fixes is close enough to the Camaro that I'm willing to keep both. And why not, I get to drive them both back to back and enjoy their quirks. If I wanted a third sedan I'd buy a Stinger or WideBody Challenger with Tremec in a heartbeat. But at some point how many cars can 1 person drive and campaign on a track, and also ride motorcycles?

I am doing the 10 hour advanced race training day at Area 27 and I chose to rent the 1LE for the day, in part to see how the car really is compared to my PP2. I will give you my impression afterwards.

 

[Atlas1]

stupid car buyers choose on external looks and brand ideology/identity and cabin glass instead of buying for technical excellence at significant price discount.

Marketing at GM still can't figure out why people buy the clearly inferior/overpriced Mustang and Dodge over the tour-de-force that is the Camaro.

I bought both. within mere months of each other. I bought the Mustang first because of 'looks' to be honest and the incessant harping on this forum about visibility etc. Then I actually mustered the nerve to try the Camaro and realized, WTF did I buy a Mustang for? But the Mustang now with $2000+ worth of suspension and various fixes ($36+3=39k) is close enough to the Camaro ($38.5k) that I'm willing to keep both. And why not, I get to drive them both back to back and enjoy their quirks. If I wanted a third sedan I'd buy a Stinger or WideBody Challenger with Tremec in a heartbeat. But at some point how many cars can 1 person drive and campaign on a track, and also ride motorcycles?

Ah so in your world people buy Mach 1’s because they are stupid and they are attracted to the brand. Kinda weird to have this opinion and hang out so much in this particular sub forum don’t you think? Are you lonely?

The reality is most buyers are not chasing lap times. We want a well rounded package that checks off as many boxes as possible. Looks, performance, etc all factor in. Sounds like you shop based on track times which is fine. Try to understand though that you are in a small minority of people that shop this way.

 

[shogun32]

Try to understand though that you are in a small minority of people that shop this way.

yes I can see that. The point of this tread is to bitch about Ford's pricing of their 5yr late attempt to match the SS/1LE though. So platitudes like "people want a well-rounded car" are not germain. The "Mach1 is a good value" thread is where that kind of logic carries any weight.

 

[Strokerswild]

The reality is most buyers are not chasing lap times. We want a well rounded package that checks off as many boxes as possible. Looks, performance, etc all factor in. Sounds like you shop based on track times which is fine. Try to understand though that you are in a small minority of people that shop this way.

Very true.

And to that end, why the rampant focus today that so many cars be incredible track performers, when most buyers will never turn a wheel on a track? I can understand the well-rounded aspect, and a performance car needs to be a competent handler. But so much of the whole 'best track car ever' thing just becomes a bench racing circle jerk.

Some of us are neanderthals that appreciate a sharp handling car but prefer the balance be slanted toward a straight-line beast, at a reasonable cost.

 

[jake_zx2]

Curious as to what the opinions are that the total cost to purchase all these items and have them professionally installed with labor would be compared to actually buying one with all the items on it? Then you still have the blue book of a Mustang GT . Also a modified one ,at at resale to some is worth less.

Oh, it would absolutely cost more. Custom bodywork, a $4k Tremec trans, thousands of dollars in coolers, suspension, aero, etc. and then add thousands in cost of installation to all of that? Yeah, that’ll more than close the $4k price valley between a Mach 1 premium and a similarly optioned GT (and maybe between the base GT, too)

 

[Trap]

On that basis, the Mach doesn't look ridiculous. Greedy, yes.
But ultimately comparing preposterous pricing 1 vs even more preposterous pricing 2 doesn't change the fact that the prices for either one are preposterous to begin with. No offense but a mustang stickering for more than 50 grand should be a capital crime. Ford is not Porsche. The options pricing is asinine and shameless.

And you're forgetting the GT is currently and going forward will be rabated anywhere from 2-3000 and discounted by the dealers 7-10% in addition. Aside from open-minded dealerships like Grainger selling Mach's for 7% off, Ford isn't about to rebate the Mach any time soon if frankly ever, if their attitude toward Bullitt and GT350 is any indication.

So in a real-world sense the GT built to look like a Mach pencils out to ~52 (and possibly less) while the Mach is 55.4 and very unlikely to see a penny below.

Yes the GT is priced better but it will never be the Mach 1. The charged what people thought was crazy extra on the original Mach 1's back in 69. They are unique and know that some will pay for that.
Also don't forget the Tremac Manual Transmission

 

[Atlas1]

yes I can see that. The point of this tread is to bitch about Ford's pricing of their 5yr late attempt to match the SS/1LE though. So platitudes like "people want a well-rounded car" are not germain. The "Mach1 is a good value" thread is where that kind of logic carries any weight.

Can you cite where Ford claims the Mach 1 is an attempt to match the ss/1le? In all of my studying of this car I must have missed that.
After you unsuccessfully look for that, please explain why Ford should give a damn what the camaro does. The camaro has already been killed off once and I don’t think it was due to it being a great value Whatever Ford is doing is working when it comes to the mustang. They outsell the competition and for some models buyers line up to pay over msrp. You think this is because buyers are stupid. I’d wager there’s more to it than that......
If the point of this thread is to bitch about the Mach 1 being overpriced I’d like to see some evidence to support that claim.

 

[Rapid Red]

The only people that have no issue with prop rods don't do their own work. The first change/upgrade I make to all my cars is getting rid of those prehistoric, ugly pains in the @ss. You keep it if you like it, fine with me.

Are you talking to me, pretty sure you aren't ?

 

[IPOGT]

So your argument is that you can "build it for less" by going the aftermarket route. Okay, but in the end what you have is a modified GT Mustang. 20 years from now, if you hold onto the car, you'll still be holding onto a Mustang GT. If that is what people want, then they will not be in the market for the Mach 1. So be it. But the argument that it the Mach1 is just a GT with a graphics package is disingenuous, at best.

If if makes you happy, who cares what it is or isn’t.

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