Educate me guys - Anti Roll Bars

[Brian@BMVK]

I'm very surprised that only a few people have mentioned upgrading the shocks and struts. The dampers on these cars are mediocre at best with the stock springs and need to be upgraded any time the springs are changed.

Most certainly, or even on OEM springs.

Bar and damper adjustments are a different tuning tool for a different problem, however.

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[Dave TBG]

Most certainly, or even on OEM springs.

Bar and damper adjustments are a different tuning tool for a different problem, however.

I'm just thinking that the OP is already planning to change the springs, bars are nice but dampers are a "while you're in there" thing.

 

[kz]

What bnighstar said - bars (especially rear) is significantly way less work than changing dampers. With front struts you have to deal with spring compressor (not everyone is comfortable with it) and do an alignment after.

Also second the links - front ones will likely bend / buckle with stiffer bar, mine did.

 

[Norm Peterson]

You can get a Performance alignment for road course track action street handling Fun etc.. Notice, i said i got it Done for what “I” want to use my car for not what you want to use your car for.

Just a suggestion, but if you're going to post a suspension tuning suggestion that's specifically aimed at drag racing, you really should make it clear that that's what you're using it for. Simply calling it a 'performance alignment' isn't nearly good enough in this particular instance.

Some of us can figure out pretty quickly from the numbers what the purpose of those alignment settings of yours was, but my money is on most people not being able to (and not through any fault of theirs, either).


Norm

 

[Dominant1]

Did you look at where my car was before to where it is now? My new alignment made a world of difference even in turns but more so hooking at wot, Hence drag set up. At the top of my alignment page, you see the shop that actually specializes in performance alignments for road course, street, and drag racing preferences. If the changes that were made show improvements in drag, road course, and street it's a performance alignment.

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[kz]

If the changes that were made show improvements in drag, road course, and street it's a performance alignment.

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They only mean your previous alignment was complete shit. (which it actually was, I looked up your previous post).

 

[Norm Peterson]

Did you look at where my car was before to where it is now? My new alignment made a world of difference even in turns but more so hooking at wot, Hence drag set up. At the top of my alignment page, you see the shop that actually specializes in performance alignments for road course, street, and drag racing preferences. If the changes that were made show improvements in drag, road course, and street it's a performance alignment.

I did.

You went from something that was somewhat too understeerish (with a steering wheel that may have been just a tad off straight) to something that's inherently much "looser". While that may be making your car feel "nimble" in reasonably normal street driving, it's likely too close to oversteer for harder cornering. Or for a sudden emergency lane change. I have a hunch your car's AdvanceTrac may be in for a bit more exercise than it should have to . . .

More than a few mods and adjustments you would make to improve dragstrip performance come at some expense in corner-carving capability, and vice-versa.


Norm

 

[Brian@BMVK]

They only mean your previous alignment was complete shit. (which it actually was, I looked up your previous post).

....and current one is no good for anything other than regular (not spirited cornering) street driving and drag racing. That's fine, but some optimized, mixed use alignment it is not. Trying to convince oneself otherwise is to deny how tires work and how a free body diagram works.

 

[Dominant1]

Its an alignment for a car who’s owner cares very little about cornering but loves 750 whp runs on the street and at the track.. can your street stang corner at 140mph? No it cant, but you can definitely hit 140mph+ in the 1/4 mile with the right power, suspension and sticky tires. To me thats a ton more fun then playing around on backroads trying to extort some kind of high from going around turns at more then usual speeds. We all have different ways of having fun & throwing my car into corner isn't fun to me. Maybe 1/4 runs at the track & nights out street racing in a straight line isn’t fun to you. To each his own.

 

[Jaymar]

Its an alignment for a car who’s owner cares very little about cornering

Is that why you're running your mouth in a thread about sway bars?

Nobody is knocking your car, if you want to build for the strip and realize your limitations on the street that's perfectly fine. The point here is that you should not blindly recommend your setup to somebody with a street driven car without explaining what it is for and what things they would need to be cautious about. That's a quick way to become another Mustang on Youtube.

Also, my car can corner at 140MPH with the stock suspension. Just not at the same radius that it can at 60MPH.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Its an alignment for a car who’s owner cares very little about cornering but loves 750 whp runs on the street and at the track drag strip.

As edited, that's the note you should have mentioned in the beginning.

I'm not going to get drawn into a pissing match over whether drag racing or road course running is inherently more fun than the other. That's not what a discussion of certain alignment settings and why you'd choose them is supposed to be about.


Norm

 

[Dave TBG]

As edited, that's the note you should have mentioned in the beginning.

I'm not going to get drawn into a pissing match over whether drag racing or road course running is inherently more fun than the other. That's not what a discussion of certain alignment settings and why you'd choose them is supposed to be about.


Norm

You just reminded me of how I used to explain autox; it's like a road course without the long, boring straights.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Also, my car can corner at 140MPH with the stock suspension. Just not at the same radius that it can at 60MPH.

If I was to take these cornering g's - made with true street tires, not some sticky track-specific rubber - and straighten it out to be forward acceleration . . .

I'd be driving a car that could do zero-to-60's at least as quick as down in the low threes, possibly down in the twos.


Norm

 

[Brian@BMVK]

Its an alignment for a car who’s owner cares very little about cornering but loves 750 whp runs on the street

That's cool, just don't call it anything other than a drag specific alignment. That's what it is. People talking about upgrading sway bars are looking for handling improvements. No one looking for that should have an alignment like yours, at least for the rear.

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