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It’s amusing how many of the trolls come into threads for no other reason than to poke the bear, and are sometimes successful. Just like GM is sometimes successful in producing a pony car people actually want to buy. Equally amusing is the fact that after five model-years on the Alpha platform and offering versions of the SS and and ZL1 that are exceptional values for the performance that they deliver, sales of those vehicles in numbers that would support the continuation of the model have just not happened.

Much to the consternation of the GM faithful, the Camaro continues to play the same second-fiddle to the Mustang that it has since it's introduction for the '67 model year. They cannot fathom how buyers can overlook the performance metrics and choose a Mustang over the Camaro. They use those metrics like bludgeons, acting as if numbers alone should dictate the purchase of a particular car.

A little good-natured debate/dialogue is to be expected and even encouraged, but some people take it too far and fall into personal attacks when they can no longer make effective cases for their positions.
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So then you believe everything on the internet.
It's been duplicated several times now.....

I've stayed out of this until now just to put a few coherent thoughts together on this so here goes.
We have a few guys who keep saying the GT500 had a 260HP advantage...yes. And the Vette has I believe close to a 600lb weight advantage and mid engine traction plus a "track suspension upgrade", Now we all know that 600lbs is probably worth 100 or more hp especially in a mid engine platform(I'm being conservative here in reality it's probably worth 200hp in mid engine platform). Now lets throw out the acc testing and stick with track facts here.

You have to give a huge advantage to the Vette exiting corners hands down....now add the 2.0-2.5 seconds a "under the hood suspension adjustment" gives and you can easily see the BASE car would have destroyed the stock version of the C8 by closer to 5 seconds....now add in Randy's biased bs and it could very realistically be said the CFTP put about a 10 second ass whopping on the C8...….I'm guessing somewhere the ZO6 team is pulling a lot of overtime.....and the car will be delayed even longer....
 

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Now we all know that 600lbs is probably worth 100 or more hp especially in a mid engine platform(I'm being conservative here in reality it's probably worth 200hp in mid engine platform).
7lbs lost ~= 1 HP "gained"
4200-3647=553lb, => 80 HP
Your estimations are wildly ungrounded in reality. Just because a mid-engine is able to get better traction on the drive wheels does not one iota change the HP the engine can "produce". The motive force is always torque. HP is just a measure of how fast it can generate said torque - it's an artificial number and entirely specious.
 

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It's been duplicated several times now.....

I've stayed out of this until now just to put a few coherent thoughts together on this so here goes.
We have a few guys who keep saying the GT500 had a 260HP advantage...yes. And the Vette has I believe close to a 600lb weight advantage and mid engine traction plus a "track suspension upgrade", Now we all know that 600lbs is probably worth 100 or more hp especially in a mid engine platform(I'm being conservative here in reality it's probably worth 200hp in mid engine platform). Now lets throw out the acc testing and stick with track facts here.

You have to give a huge advantage to the Vette exiting corners hands down....now add the 2.0-2.5 seconds a "under the hood suspension adjustment" gives and you can easily see the BASE car would have destroyed the stock version of the C8 by closer to 5 seconds....now add in Randy's biased bs and it could very realistically be said the CFTP put about a 10 second ass whopping on the C8...….I'm guessing somewhere the ZO6 team is pulling a lot of overtime.....and the car will be delayed even longer....
Again I’m super happy with how the 500 performed and I’m buying a CFTP , but um the C7 Z06 Z07 already is faster at VIR full than the CFTP .....
Jim Mero their development engineer ( not a pro but fast ) ran a 1:53.x in it at VIR full . I wouldn’t go throwing the gauntlet at the not finished C8 Z06 lol.
 

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7lbs lost ~= 1 HP "gained"
4200-3647=553lb, => 80 HP
Your estimations are wildly ungrounded in reality. Just because a mid-engine is able to get better traction on the drive wheels does not one iota change the HP the engine can "produce". The motive force is always torque. HP is just a measure of how fast it can generate said torque - it's an artificial number and entirely specious.
Find a 500HP mid engine car that has a near 600# weight advantage and race it against a 750HP rwd car with both being on equal or comparable tires and tell me who wins 95% of the time?

Now take that to both cars exiting AND accelerating from a corner...Again, who wins 95% of the time?
 

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Jim Mero their development engineer ( not a pro but fast ) ran a 1:53.x in it at VIR full . I wouldn’t go throwing the gauntlet at the not finished C8 Z06 lol.
GM for years has brought "loaded" cars to testing.....nothing new there, also we don't know what time the GT500 is "really capable" of with the players in this test......none of that is to deny that a ZO6 will likely be a smidge faster but I guarantee you that there will be some "revisions" due to what the GT 500 is proving itself capable of.
 

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GT500 CFTP is a great car and worth the money, but you won't see it out lap a C7Z06 with Z07 package ( the track package used for the mag tests). That car MSRPs about $10K more than the GT500 CFTP so it all makes financial sense.
 

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the problem is that every 500 fan here, has already stated they shouldnt be compared, but GM fans have continuously brought it into the conversation. Now they reap what they sow
 

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GT500 CFTP is a great car and worth the money, but you won't see it out lap a C7Z06 with Z07 package ( the track package used for the mag tests). That car MSRPs about $10K more than the GT500 CFTP so it all makes financial sense.
Sure it can...my GT350R out lapped my C7 Z06 with Z07 track pack every time. My C7 overheated, among other things, after the second lap of every session 'til I got rid of it and kept the GT350R.
 

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Again I’m super happy with how the 500 performed and I’m buying a CFTP , but um the C7 Z06 Z07 already is faster at VIR full than the CFTP .....
Jim Mero their development engineer ( not a pro but fast ) ran a 1:53.x in it at VIR full . I wouldn’t go throwing the gauntlet at the not finished C8 Z06 lol.
nah. The 500 and c7 going on the same track same day with great drivers will tell the story.

But the zr1 with it’s low weight and similar power should do well.
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