"Mustang Mach E" Confirmed, Reservations Begin Immediately After Nov 17 Live-Streamed Reveal

[Deleted member 35786]

Ahhhh Nope.

There IS a charger included - but the other best charger is not included with the vehicle purchase price - it’s optional as pulled right from the site:


Ford has everyone greased on this ME... obviously no one is reading the fine print.


Fine print for the Tax Credit:


That $7,500.00 is the MAX allowable credit - there’s no guarantee that everyone will get or qualify for the MAX allowable credit.

LMAO....

Yep.. And here in Florida we have ZERO TAX CREDIT for EV's... Go Figure..

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[Balr14]

Although I don't agree with calling this vehicle a Mustang, I am very interested in it and will consider buying one. The performance specs are impressive, especially the torque. I'm always interested in any high performance convertibles or 4 doors and there aren't that many to chose from.

 

[key01]

I voted no change. Been into Mustangs since my dad bought his 1965 convertible 289 off the showroom floor. Current GT350 is a beast and so much joy. My wife has wanted an all electric vehicle for a long time and I really like this design. I bought her a 2019 Jeep Cherokee, which is very comparable in size to the Mach E and it would work for her. The problem I have with these all electric vehicles is cost. Our Jeep came with huge incentives and I paid $22,500 for a well equipped version (driver assist, heated seats/wheel, tech package, etc.). It gets 32 mpg on the highway. I struggle with paying a premium to move away from the gas pump. That is and always will be my main problem with the all electric vehicles, no matter how competitive they say the Mach E is with Tesla and other EV's.

 

[martinjlm]

Ahhhh Nope.

There IS a charger included - but the other best charger is not included with the vehicle purchase price - it’s optional as pulled right from the site:


Ford has everyone greased on this ME... obviously no one is reading the fine print.


Fine print for the Tax Credit:


That $7,500.00 is the MAX allowable credit - there’s no guarantee that everyone will get or qualify for the MAX allowable credit.

LMAO....

Yup. I think I was editing while you were posting. Copied a page out of the press material for clarity. The language for the $7,500 credit has been the same since that started in 2010.

There are differences in how much the car is eligible for, depending on size of battery and battery range. Mach E qualifies for 100% of the $7,500. For some people, their tax bracket situation may alter how much of it they actually see. Everyone I know who has bought an EV and some Plug-in Hybrids have qualified for the entire $7,500.

Including me. Twice.

 

[Bikeman315]

Yep.. And here in Florida we have ZERO TAX CREDIT for EV's... Go Figure..

This will help in determining if your state has a tax credit. SC does not.

https://www.energysage.com/electric-vehicles/costs-and-benefits-evs/ev-tax-credits/

 

[gixxersixxerman]

I understand how the practical reasons would appeal to what I'm guessing is a middle-aged couple - SUV/CUV, miles per charge, and apparent pricing. What I'm not feeling is that they'd be conned by any ties to the Mustang.

Obviously they've been around for most of the Mustang's existence, if not for all of it. So I would expect their age group to have well established thoughts on what a Mustang has always been and that what they're most likely seeing as a tall station wagon just ain't it (station wagons having been the "utility vehicles" and the mom-mobiles in decades past).


Norm

So my pops said this. Ive heard of the car and find it interesting. I said does the fact that its called a mustang make you want to buy it more or less.......... He said......... idk maybe a little less. I dont understand why its a mustang, I was 5 years old when they came out and it has always been a 2 door coupe for me. I dont understand the whole 4 door thing. same reason i dont think a charger is a charger because its 4 doors. I think its interesting but having a mustang name doesnt make me want to go buy it. It wouldnt prevent me from getting it (other things Ford has done makes my Father "anti-Ford) i just dont understand the naming..

So yeah like most car is interesting/cool blah blah blah.... but why the mustang name lol

 

[martinjlm]

Yep.. And here in Florida we have ZERO TAX CREDIT for EV's... Go Figure..

This will help in determining if your state has a tax credit. SC does not.

https://www.energysage.com/electric-vehicles/costs-and-benefits-evs/ev-tax-credits/

I think you guys are confusing the FEDERAL $7,500 tax credit with additional STATE credits that some states have put in place. California, Colorado, Georgia, and a few other states that I’m too lazy to look up have credits and rebates in addition to the Federal credit. The Federal Credit applies in all 50 states. And maybe even Puerto Rico.

 

[Cobra Jet]

Yup. I think I was editing while you were posting. Copied a page out of the press material for clarity. The language for the $7,500 credit has been the same since that started in 2010.

Yep - cross threaded LOL...

The point I’m trying to make is the $7,500.00 tax credit is misleading for those that aren’t reading through all of the material. So someone that thinks oh hey, MSRP for the “ME GT” is $60k, but oh wait, I’ll get $7,500.00 off” - there’s just no guarantee everyone will get a bite of the MAX allowable credit.

So I just hope those making the plunge - be it this thing or any other EV from any Manufacturer is reading all of the fine print... and don’t get to the signing table in 2021 and be like “oh F***, I didn’t know that and I’m not budgeted for that amount of money” after taxes/fees and all of the hidden “add ons” found in all the small disclaimers all over that ME site.

Ford also keeps showing the 2-tone interior - as if it available on all models of the ME - it isn’t. Standard is black interior up until you rack up into the higher ME models such as the “MEGT”...

 

[key01]

I'm sure most people looking to buy the Mach E will qualify for the full $7,500 IRS credit. Not sure why the big discussion over this.

 

[shogun32]

That $7,500.00 is the MAX allowable credit - there’s no guarantee that everyone will get or qualify for the MAX allowable credit.

not to mention if the car won't be avail till 2021, so 2020 tax law doesn't apply. These subsidies properly belong in the waste bin of BAD ideas and are actually set to expire. I'm sure there will be furious lobbying by the automakers to allow their gravy train to continue unabated. There is nothing so similar to eternal life on this planet like a federal subsidy/program. If Ford et. al. want to encourage EV adoption the solution is simple - price it where consumers will choose it on their own volition. IF there is to be a 'subsidy' it should be a credit against *manufacturer* R&D to lower their overall tax liability.

 

[zackmd1]

Yup. I think I was editing while you were posting. Copied a page out of the press material for clarity. The language for the $7,500 credit has been the same since that started in 2010.

There are differences in how much the car is eligible for, depending on size of battery and battery range. Mach E qualifies for 100% of the $7,500. For some people, their tax bracket situation may alter how much of it they actually see. Everyone I know who has bought an EV and some Plug-in Hybrids have qualified for the entire $7,500.

Including me. Twice.

Your tax liability has to be more then the tax credit in order to receive the full amount. So if you are someone who owes taxes at the end of the year, your owed amount will decrease by the credit amount. Likewise, if you usually get a refund check at the end of the year, your check should go up the amount of the credit.

Pretty much everyone that should be looking at a Mach E should qualify for the full credit. Now once Ford hits 200k EVs sold, that credit starts getting phased out. My Tesla is only eligible for a $1875 credit has they hit the cap early last year.

 

[Deleted member 35786]

I think you guys are confusing the FEDERAL $7,500 tax credit with additional STATE credits that some states have put in place. California, Colorado, Georgia, and a few other states that I’m too lazy to look up have credits and rebates in addition to the Federal credit. The Federal Credit applies in all 50 states. And maybe even Puerto Rico.

You are correct.
However on the federal side there is one caveat..

This tax credit has a “phase out” built into the program that is dependent on the manufacturer of the car. The phase out will kick in at the beginning of the second calendar quarter after a manufacturer has sold 200,000 eligible AEVs and/or PHEVs. Most electric cars are still eligible for this tax credit. The phase out for this tax credit for vehicles purchased from these manufacturers will not be occurring anytime soon.

Of note, Tesla cars are no longer eligible for the full incentive. Only vehicles delivered by December 31, 3018 received the full credit. Vehicles delivered before June 30, 2019 received a credit of $3,750, those delivered between July 1, 2019 and December 31, 2019 will receive $1,875, and beyond that timeline no credit is available for Tesla.

Plus we make to much money so that measly $7500 credit will not even impact our IRS tax filing. We still will have to pay. lol

 

[ddeluce]

What Ford has done with the Mach E isn't really much different than what Porsche did when it introduced the Cayenne and Macan SUVs. Sales of true Porsches: 911's, Caymans, and Boxsters, weren't really effected. Porsche brought more people to their brand by widening the buying audience beyond sports car buyers.

Personally, I don't really understand why people like "performance SUV's". An SUV is a utility, I have one to haul things, pets, and people. I want it to do those things well. I have a Mustang to drive for performance.

 

[zackmd1]

You are correct.
However on the federal side there is one caveat..

This tax credit has a “phase out” built into the program that is dependent on the manufacturer of the car. The phase out will kick in at the beginning of the second calendar quarter after a manufacturer has sold 200,000 eligible AEVs and/or PHEVs. Most electric cars are still eligible for this tax credit. The phase out for this tax credit for vehicles purchased from these manufacturers will not be occurring anytime soon.

Of note, Tesla cars are no longer eligible for the full incentive. Only vehicles delivered by December 31, 3018 received the full credit. Vehicles delivered before June 30, 2019 received a credit of $3,750, those delivered between July 1, 2019 and December 31, 2019 will receive $1,875, and beyond that timeline no credit is available for Tesla.

The whole credit as it stands is crazy to me. It basically penalizes companies that were first to market with EVs while those that lag behind get the benefits. They either need to remove the credit all together or re-write it to not penalize first to market companies.

 

[w3rkn]

The Mustang Mach-E is not a cheap vehicle. The ME GT cost more than the GT350 did, when released. And will out accelerate it, with 4 people in the car.

95% of the people will qualify for the $7,500 federal rebate. I don't see it as an argument. What IS debatable is why Ford engineers choose to put the Center Display so high up on the dash, and so close to the driver.

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