Let's talk about the C8 vs the GT500

[shogun32]

Haha not for late braking or accelerating through a corner it isn't. 50/50 would be ideal.. ala Viper ARC

I'm not a chassis engineer so can't argue one way or the other. That said, a static balance of 50/50 is not the same thing at all as dynamic chassis balance while under +/- 1G. Rate of CoG change as well as instant, absolute values are very significant.

I'll let others dig up the academic papers on the subject.

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[Bull Run]

I'm not a chassis engineer so can't argue one way or the other. That said, a static balance of 50/50 is not the same thing at all as dynamic chassis balance while under +/- 1G. Rate of CoG change as well as instant, absolute values are very significant.

I'll let others dig up the academic papers on the subject.

The video's more about tje 0-60 time but it also talks about the 40/60 balance, CoG, and braking. Moving the engine to the back and going with DCT makes sense math wise, we'll just have to wait to see if the C8 actually delivers in the real world. Also, note that 2.72 seconds mentioned in the video is the potential with this setup with MORE power. He doesn't think it'll happen with the base engine.

 

[WildHorse]

Rate of CoG change

CoG doesn't change. The CoG is in a fixed position on a inanimate object. You're talking about weight transfer.
A 50/50 weight distribution is the ideal situation to minimize over/understeer. Which as may know, is induced by
either braking or acceleration.

 

[roygriffin2020]

That always stings a bit lol. I missed so many more shifts with my mt82 compared to my tr6060 in my CTS-V though. Ended up breaking the mt82 and they took 97 days and 3 attempts to repair it and I ended up getting it back while it still wasnt 100% so I sold the car. The tr6060 I had no problems with, very rarely missed a shift, and it had the no-lift shift feature which was fun. Still my tr6060 CTS-V had 630rwhp and my e85 tune only 10r80 runs faster times on the street. Love paddle shifting this 10r80 and I bet the DCT in the gt500 will be even better.

I hated the MT82 in my GT, kinda rubbery feel. When I got the 350, the transmission was so much nicer.

 

[Hack]

that's a lot of speculation. The C8 has a "big wing" option as does the ZL1 Camaro and friends. The GT500 might include into the base price, sure, but downforce is frequently designed in on sports cars so ostentatious aero doesn't have to be bolted on after the fact to fix the issue. All will be revealed just as soon as production units of various trims are properly flogged on timed circuits by actual professional drivers.

Any claims that the GT500 is superior to the C8 (or visaversa) is just spec-sheet bench racing and naked fanboy'ism. With instrumented data comes enlightenment.

I think it's naked fanboyism to take the lowest price C8 and add theoretical high performance equipment to it that we don't know about yet and then compare that to the GT500.

What's not fanboyism is to say that the C8 with its all season tires will definitely be slower on a track than the GT500.

 

[roygriffin2020]

I think it's naked fanboyism to take the lowest price C8 and add theoretical high performance equipment to it that we don't know about yet and then compare that to the GT500.

What's not fanboyism is to say that the C8 with its all season tires will definitely be slower on a track than the GT500.

I think the hard part will be finding one that does not have a bunch of extra stuff, like better tires, etc. The under $60k is just a theory.

 

[nastang87xx]

You'd have to be thick in the skull to get a base no optioned C8. But I'm willing to bet someone will.

 

[roygriffin2020]

You'd have to be thick in the skull to get a base no optioned C8. But I'm willing to bet someone will.

GM may make a few "loss leaders" to advertise but when you get there it is already sold like most things.

 

[Hack]

You'd have to be thick in the skull to get a base no optioned C8. But I'm willing to bet someone will.

Depends on what you want the car for. I certainly wouldn't buy a C8 that wasn't set up for track use. But then getting to the track at least a couple times a year is very important to me.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

I think a lot of the usual demographic would buy a base Corvette. How does a base Corvette compare to a loaded Camaro or Mustang? I can see a few pony car owners spending a few grand more to get into a Vette. People that track their car in any capacity. Are the exception.

 

[Cardude99]

You'd have to be thick in the skull to get a base no optioned C8. But I'm willing to bet someone will.

I disagree. For someone looking to mod the heck out of it, a base car might be spot on. People do it with the GT all the time. What makes less sense is buying every option only to remove it to put on better parts. I would strongly consider a base care if there is good aftermarket support, which I imagine there will be.

Also people still buy the gt350 which is arguably the base model for a Shelby, why not the base c8?

 

[Stuntman]

Haha not for late braking or accelerating through a corner it isn't. 50/50 would be ideal.. ala Viper ARC.

Actually 40/60 or 45/55 is better in every way over 50/50 (braking, accelerating, cornering).

On another note, I just heard from another source that the Z51 package is $10K. So the cheapest you can get a stripped C8 Z51 is for $69,995.

 

[roygriffin2020]

Actually 40/60 or 45/55 is better in every way over 50/50 (braking, accelerating, cornering).

On another note, I just heard from another source that the Z51 package is $10K. So the cheapest you can get a stripped C8 Z51 is for $69,995.

Sounds about right

 

[MaskedRacerX]

On another note, I just heard from another source that the Z51 package is $10K. So the cheapest you can get a stripped C8 Z51 is for $69,995.

I realize that hasn't been publicly validated by GM, but I had a suspicion they might go a little higher on that option (vs. the C7). It seems like they're putting a ton of press into the short sprint performance, and that's specifically linked to the Z51 - so it's almost being sold like a special model, with higher performance in metrics outside of just handling/braking/track.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

I realize that hasn't been publicly validated by GM, but I had a suspicion they might go a little higher on that option (vs. the C7). It seems like they're putting a ton of press into the short sprint performance, and that's specifically linked to the Z51 - so it's almost being sold like a special model, with higher performance in metrics outside of just handling/braking/track.

If its ~$10k it should include a LOT of stuff the '19 ~$5k Z51 package doesn't include, particularly since the '19 Z51 includes dry sump which is standard on the C8.

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