Spinning Tires

[Zinc03svt]

So does pulling the plug mess with the torque management? Harder shifts like drag mode or just sport?

On a 300a car pulling the plug turns off fully advanced trac and traction control. Zero torque mgt. I notice it shifts harder/faster unplugged even if the car is getting squirrely through the first 2-3 shifts. In Drive my car shifts around 7100-7200. In Sport it shifts 7400-7500 rpms.

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[TheReaper]

Put in drag mode TCS off, Put the brake on , floor the gas, let off the brake then literally spin until you are on the moon. seriously, until you are on the moon. Or get a Tbrake tune push the brake, left paddle, right paddle, then floor the gas while holding all those, then let off the brake and left paddle then right paddle and just rip through the gears to like 200 mph wheel speed at 20 mph actual speed

 

[TicTocTach]

So does pulling the plug mess with the torque management? Harder shifts like drag mode or just sport?

The warnings I got on my FordPass app were:

- Hill Start Assist Warning
- Anti-lock Brake Fault
- Forward Collision Warning

With the faults in normal drive mode, the car would fishtail around corners if you gave it a little power, so whatever is managing torque to prevent wheel spin is not doing it's job. I don't think it's trying to make deliberate harder shifts, though.

 

[BlackandBlue]

The warnings I got on my FordPass app were:

- Hill Start Assist Warning
- Anti-lock Brake Fault
- Forward Collision Warning

With the faults in normal drive mode, the car would fishtail around corners if you gave it a little power, so whatever is managing torque to prevent wheel spin is not doing it's job. I don't think it's trying to make deliberate harder shifts, though.

That’s what I was thinking.

Advanced trac is a pretty wonderful system so far. It seems to allow about 10-15 degrees of slip angle with traction control off. Considering my car will spin the tires through 3 (50-60) it’s really a nice feature.

I will pull the plug one of these days and travel back to the 04 days.

 

[Cobrakit]

I went out and played with driving modes and traction control. Looks like the electronics take away a lot of the power at launch. Even with drag strip mode and traction control off, i had to load up converter with left foot braking as stated above to launch hard. However, too much rpm and wheel hop. So i guess its left foot brake to about 1,500 rpm then release. Good think i'm adept at left foot braking from the track. Hopefully Ford tune (whenever available) will help. And yes the michelins are quiet, even when spinning.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Well thank goodness we got the spinning tires in a Mustang thing figured out. Now you can start looking for your first crowd to run over.

 

[onlyturbo]

No, it's an IRS S550, not an S197, so no crowed hedging here...

I have been asking and experiencing the same exact "issue" here. Mine is a base 2015 pp, so manual with 3.73s rear end ratio. Yesterday after shutting advance traction off, by pressing the button for many seconds, I revved the car from a stop to around 2.5 k, then let go of the clutch to get the tires spinning. After the tires started to spin, I floored it. To my surprise the car span the tires for maybe two seconds, and then hooked and took off. I was very surprised the tires hooked at full throttle into the spin.

Something strange is going on here...I am learning to love this high rev V8 Coyote, really special engine....but this forces you to over speed, which I don't like to do. I personally much rather be able to leave two black stripes on the ground...

 

[IronG]

Stop with the "I can't believe the tires don't spin" whining already!!. If you want the tires to spin....1. wet pavement with water 2. lay down your oil of choice, but if you are environmentally friendly, use a good olive or corn oil. I guarantee you will be able to spin your tires all day long.

 

[BlackandBlue]

No, it's an IRS S550, not an S197, so no crowed hedging here...

I have been asking and experiencing the same exact "issue" here. Mine is a base 2015 pp, so manual with 3.73s rear end ratio. Yesterday after shutting advance traction off, by pressing the button for many seconds, I revved the car from a stop to around 2.5 k, then let go of the clutch to get the tires spinning. After the tires started to spin, I floored it. To my surprise the car span the tires for maybe two seconds, and then hooked and took off. I was very surprised the tires hooked at full throttle into the spin.

Something strange is going on here...I am learning to love this high rev V8 Coyote, really special engine....but this forces you to over speed, which I don't like to do. I personally much rather be able to leave two black stripes on the ground...

It’s your foot man. Brain tell foot to quit messing around. Foot responds by letting up on gas.

Pin gas to floor with toe and have tires report back.

 

[onlyturbo]

It’s your foot man. Brain tell foot to quit messing around. Foot responds by letting up on gas.

Pin gas to floor with toe and have tires report back.

I did, I swear ........ My brain may be little old, but my foot is still responding well.

I have the shitty cheap Chinese tires on the car, 275 size for the performance package option. Bought the car this way few months back.

 

[BlackandBlue]

I did, I swear ........ My brain may be little old, but my foot is still responding well.

I have the shitty cheap Chinese tires on the car, 275 size for the performance package option. Bought the car this way few months back.

It really is your foot. Once you get a tire spinning it doesn’t hook back up without pedaling as long as the car is going slower than the tire.

My buddy has a 2016 pp1 3.73 car. He can light the tires up at 25 then spin to 50-60 no problem. He is an idiot that is good at breaking stuff so there is also that.

It takes very little power to keep a tire spinning once the traction has been broken.

 

[onlyturbo]

Interesting, does he do this while popping the clutch? First or second gear?

Maybe I let off the gas, but I intentionally wanted to do a long burnout, so wanted to see how long with full throttle. To my disappointment not much fun in that department. Everything else is great! Love the car.

 

[BlackandBlue]

Interesting, does he do this while popping the clutch? First or second gear?

Maybe I let off the gas, but I intentionally wanted to do a long burnout, so wanted to see how long with full throttle. To my disappointment not much fun in that department. Everything else is great! Love the car.

I am sure he is shredding the clutch. 2nd gear rev to about 6-7k and dump it basically.

Just remember if you are not a race car driver, have exactly the same pressure in rear tires and are on an extremely flat road spinning the tires above 25 mph is always a risky proposition.

In my 12 mustang I would just dump clutch in 1st spin them up and quickly shift into second. Always could get a consistent burn out.

And I would leave advanced track on. It will save your butt if you get outside a safe yaw angle.

 

[pthomas11b]

The knowledge or lack of is absolutely staggering in this entire thread. I've got numerous certified techs from quite a few manufactures laughing but still.

To the uhh original question it's hilarious to complain about not having wheel spin or whatever the heck you want to achieve and still state. Line lock and everything works as advertised therefore burning the tires, i.e. cash money, up in smoke, or chirping them or whatever from a stop is litterally stupid in every instance. These cars are built and allow for everyone to enjoy them however they please even with the measely 430 to 460 up rating albeit in the upper rpm range given 2 facts.... Small diaplacement v8, and dual overhead cams. Japanese and German automakers have been doing it for wayyyyyyy longer than ford, it's nothing new. Yes the coyote is a fantastic platform and well built to start given moderation to certain expectations. I just find it hilarious anyone with real knowledge and understanding of the 'reality" shit will break with power adders. Ford designs a high compression, low displacement, high revving v8 for all intents and purposes. End user realizes parts are " capable" or xxxx number of hp and expect it to live forever or create a certain experience. Get real and understand even a simple person can understand doubling or tripling a given output of what is rated from any said product is on borrowed time no matter the warranty or parts strengrh and Even tuning ability by whomever. It's flat out more stress on crucial parts that were made on presumptions of a projected Target.

So spin the tires. Waste your money and buy more. Otherwise take the kit car out and enjoy it who cares. Guys and gals just need to get over themselves and not feel like they have something to prove every chance when they come to a stop or on the highway next to whatever pulls up. It's just idiotic.

And btw yea thats a rant because I love and enjoy my mustang GT and yet I still am in law enforcement. Regardless you don't have to act like an idiot or endanger others and or yourself to have fun with these cars.

 

[Cobrakit]

To the uhh original question it's hilarious to complain about not having wheel spin or whatever the heck you want to achieve and still state. Line lock and everything works as advertised therefore burning the tires, i.e. cash money, up in smoke, or chirping them or whatever from a stop is litterally stupid in every instance.
So spin the tires. Waste your money and buy more. Otherwise take the kit car out and enjoy it who cares. Guys and gals just need to get over themselves and not feel like they have something to prove every chance when they come to a stop or on the highway next to whatever pulls up. It's just idiotic.

And btw yea thats a rant because I love and enjoy my mustang GT and yet I still am in law enforcement. Regardless you don't have to act like an idiot or endanger others and or yourself to have fun with these cars.

Somebody wake up on the wrong side of the bed! My whole point was not to do burnouts, its that the car does not leave hard off the line. Ford went way too soft and maybe it was for reasons you stated. And yes, i personally expect a little wheel spin off the line from a dead stop and just flooring car. OBTW I don't do burn outs and drive for myself and no one else. I live in an area with nice country roads where i can enjoy driving or when i really want to relax, i go do some HPDE. So it looks like it might be a cool enough day today to take the Cobra out and enjoy my car and the roads

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