Who will swap for the new 7.3 V8!

[Big Boss]

Actually I was at a Dodge dealer just now (yes, checking out a car at 7:00am in the morning) on sale through CarHub - a grey Tesla 3 Performance. It’s at the Dodge dealer just north of Steele’s and Yonge in Toronto in the back beside the bays. Nice car but that copper coating on the roof window spoils it all. Anyway this thing will be gone today as Toronto loves EVs and a Tesla Model 3 Performance...


Anyway, the man said something that all you guys laughed at and ridiculed me for, and that was giving the customer maximum torque and horsepower at typical engine speeds normally used. You pay dearly for the performance, but what good is it if most never rev the engine high enough to enjoy it. And all you engineers asking me what I mean by “the torque down low” - how can you be a car engineer and not know what that means? Anyway, I feel vindicated.





The 7.3 Godzilla in the Mustang is a niche retro Big Block Boulevard Cruiser for old farts like me to relive our past in a modern car, and impress our old fart friends with a massive peel out like the days of old. It has a reason for being. As I didn’t get a GT, I only spent 18,5000USD on the V6 so even at the highest quote of 30,000 I’m only at 48,000 which is a GT. Big frigging deal...

but it won't drive like an old big block, won't rumble like an old big block and won't feel like an old big block. Especially when paired to a super modern A10 transmission. A real possibility you continue to ignore.

This engine won't make a lot of torque at part throttle and 1500 rpm, just like any car or small truck engine. You'll have to be at WOT and 3000+ rpm to get the torque you're looking for anyway. It isn't a big diesel with stupid short gearing (so that it can tow 40 tons). I've said it before and I'll say it again: keep your V6 and put 4.09 gears in it. You'll have way more torque to the wheels at low rpm and low gears.

This ^

You keep on saying this, but you fail to reailize that just because it has an iron block does not mean it's going to be a pig. No one upgrades their brakes and suspension when adding on 100+lbs worth of supercharger, fluids and inter-cooler. No one upgrades their brakes when throwing on a 700rwhp turbo kit. Why do you think the suspension and brakes are going to need to be upgraded for an extra 100-150lbs worth of engine?

Because the OP has a V-6 with V-6 suspension and brakes. He is going to add way more than just 100 pounds if this swap ever happens. Probably adding 250+ to the nose of the car

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[Norm Peterson]

There is interest in these things or Garret at 1320 Video/ Cleetus Mcfarlane would not be doing a project passenger car with a Cummins diesel in it. Actually introduced it today but the part you guys would be interested in is when they take it for a ride and take some turns in it. They actually drive it low rpm if anyone is interested. Finally he does peel out with black smoke coming out the front and white smoke coming out the back. Who could ask for more?

I’m actually sort of pissed he did this now. If I did the swap I was going to do a short documentary on my little project. But how can you beat a Cummins with a huge stack coming out the hood with black smoke?

Sorry, but rolling coal in anything that isn't 80,000 lbs or 36288 kg GVW is one of the top two things I really dislike about consumer-level pickup trucks. Worse still to make a car do it.

Your video of your swap if it comes to fruition, I'd consider watching. This one, I wish I could un-see the jpg preview.


Norm

 

[Fatguy]

Sorry, but rolling coal in anything that isn't 80,000 lbs or 36288 kg GVW is one of the top two things I really dislike about consumer-level pickup trucks. Worse still to make a car do it.

Your video of your swap if it comes to fruition, I'd consider watching. This one, I wish I could un-see the jpg preview.


Norm

As a piss poor production house we are looking for ideas and this is one, but we need the engine specs. As a producer I’ve put shows on the number one and number two networks here in Canada, but it’s been a while. We went and made a movie which was supplementary fodder for an idea I pitched at the UN last February. Plus I run a teeny tiny advertising company that is really now a distribution company for those amateurs who want to go past YouTube.


This is one reason I’m actually still thinking about the swap. Cleetus McFarland (read 1320 Video) has like 1.4 million subscribers which in TV land are sustainable numbers. Just that last image with the black smoke in front and white tire smoke in back is just an awesome piece of video even if it’s wrong on so many levels. That’s what builds a viewership...

 

[bootlegger]

Sorry, but rolling coal in anything that isn't 80,000 lbs or 36288 kg GVW is one of the top two things I really dislike about consumer-level pickup trucks. Worse still to make a car do it.

Your video of your swap if it comes to fruition, I'd consider watching. This one, I wish I could un-see the jpg preview.


Norm

It also gives the general public a negative impression of diesel engines. It has hurt my industry for years, and is not representative of what modern diesels are generally like.

 

[tokuzumi]

I liked how the cummins just fit in that Ford. But the Ford was a land yacht, and things were just bigger then. Since it is a full framed car, they may actually use it for towing. Would make a really cool towing rig.

 

[Maggneto]

So on top of winning peel "oot" contents, Fatguy is going to be a YouTube sensation with an imaginary Super Duty Mustang Cobra F250 Iron block dream machine and all for the low, low price of 10k.

 

[bootlegger]

This is one reason I’m actually still thinking about the swap. Cleetus McFarland (read 1320 Video) has like 1.4 million subscribers which in TV land are sustainable numbers. Just that last image with the black smoke in front and white tire smoke in back is just an awesome piece of video even if it’s wrong on so many levels. That’s what builds a viewership...

He has millions of subscribers due to the work he has put into his vette drag car, among a few other cars. This video is just silly, tbh. Rollin coal actually requires the engine to be tuned pig rich, and is thus wasteful.

 

[SheepDog]

I would like to formerly congratulate OP for creating a thread that I thought for sure would get 0 responses. 2636 posts later, I stand corrected.

 

[Fatguy]

I would like to formerly congratulate OP for creating a thread that I thought for sure would get 0 responses. 2636 posts later, I stand corrected.

Well the idea that made the most sense (and what the 1320 Video folks did) was the one we never talked about in all these posts. And that is to let someone else do the swap and give up somewhere after actually making it run. Then buy it cheap for 10,000 bucks and work on it from there. That’s what they did and so far it works out...

Of course someone else has to have a go at it...

 

[SheepDog]

Well the idea that made the most sense (and what the 1320 Video folks did) was the one we never talked about in all these posts. And that is to let someone else do the swap and give up somewhere after actually making it run. Then buy it cheap for 10,000 bucks and work on it from there. That’s what they did and so far it works out...

Of course someone else has to have a go at it...

I do like a challenge, and oddball configurations but the cost, fabrication headaches, and the fact that a boosted Coyote would still crap all over it, makes it not worth it at all IMHO.

 

[Fatguy]

I do like a challenge, and oddball configurations but the cost, fabrication headaches, and the fact that a boosted Coyote would still crap all over it, makes it not worth it at all IMHO.

But your thinking in terms of performance in this day and age. Sure maybe quarter mile times would be faster for a stock GT. But the average person getting in a big motor performance car expects to light up the tires at the slightest touch of the accelerator from their big toe. Big ass peel outs and such. That is how they gauge performance and a good o’l big block low rpm peel out fits the bill right there...


Superchargers and turbos can do that and some members own them. But the big blocks have a rep and they are nowhere to be seen these days. There should be some interest.

 

[SheepDog]

But your thinking in terms of performance in this day and age. Sure maybe quarter mile times would be faster for a stock GT. But the average person getting in a big motor performance car expects to light up the tires at the slightest touch of the accelerator from heir big toe. Big ass peel outs and such. That is how they gauge performance and a good o’l big block low rpm peel out fits the bill right there...

Agreed, and nothing sounds as good as a big block. The cost however of yanking a Coyote out of a wrecked Mustang or F150, then putting a Whipple on it would be far less and far easier, as well as all the down low tire melting torque you could ever need. I think what you should do is gut the trunk and back seat, then put a 6BT cummins mid mounted. Turbo Diesel mid engine S550.

 

[Fatguy]

Agreed, and nothing sounds as good as a big block. The cost however of yanking a Coyote out of a wrecked Mustang or F150, then putting a Whipple on it would be far less and far easier, as well as all the down low tire melting torque you could ever need. I think what you should do is gut the trunk and back seat, then put a 6BT cummins mid mounted. Turbo Diesel mid engine S550.

That’s just it.

I can make a documentary about a supercharged Coyote motor but it would go nowhere. Think of it as me selling the idea to some TV channel. I actually did this two years ago (TVO) and they actually made an offer, but for only part of the series so - no...


The crazy idea of the truck motor in a Mustang as is would be marginal at best as a pitch, but the sensible option would have zero interest. That is zero interest! I would probably keep the end result so that is a plus.

 

[Big Boss]

But your thinking in terms of performance in this day and age. Sure maybe quarter mile times would be faster for a stock GT. But the average person getting in a big motor performance car expects to light up the tires at the slightest touch of the accelerator from heir big toe. Big ass peel outs and such. That is how they gauge performance and a good o’l big block low rpm peel out fits the bill right there...

But you keep ignoring the fact that

A. the coyote can do that as well, especially on the factory all seasons. Hell my 07 GT with the 5R55S trans could lay down the stripes from a stop, especially once I put 4.10s in it. Even on at the track it was spin city on the factory all season tires.

B. It won't do it like an old school big block, because it's not one. I have a feeling you think in your head you will be able to just stab the throttle and it will go full John Force burnout. It won't. It will drive just like a modern OHV V-8, especially when paired with the A10. Change the throttle input in a A10 equipped vehicle and that trans is going to do whatever it needs to get the engine in the peak of the power band. It's not gonna stay at 1200-3000 RPM like you want it.

I really think you need to drive an A10 vehicle to understand what I am trying to tell you. I really think the A10 is going to rob you of what you desire.

 

[Fatguy]

But you keep ignoring the fact that

A. the coyote can do that as well, especially on the factory all seasons. Hell my 07 GT with the 5R55S trans could lay down the stripes from a stop, especially once I put 4.10s in it. Even on at the track it was spin city on the factory all season tires.

B. It won't do it like an old school big block, because it's not one. I have a feeling you think in your head you will be able to just stab the throttle and it will go full John Force burnout. It won't. It will drive just like a modern OHV V-8, especially when paired with the A10. Change the throttle input in a A10 equipped vehicle and that trans is going to do whatever it needs to get the engine in the peak of the power band. It's not gonna stay at 1200-3000 RPM like you want it.

I really think you need to drive an A10 vehicle to understand what I am trying to tell you. I really think the A10 is going to rob you of what you desire.

Rework the setting in the A10 to three gears.


Done!

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