Who will swap for the new 7.3 V8!

[GT Pony]

Tne correction there sparky as you seem to be leaving out important details, the 7.3 has "maximum torque and horsepower at typical engine speeds normally used" for towing..

But that's the exact part Fatguy keeps saying why he wants an engine with big low RPM torque ... he's not interested in screaming around at high RPM to get HP. He want's a 'stump puller' in his Mustang. He's said it about 3 dozen times. But guys (and then more new guys) keep jumping in and arguing with him like he wants to do it to smoke everything on the road. I think the only thing he's interested in smoking is that bong posted a above (and dream about a BB swap), and/or his rear tires once in awhile - lol.

But as suggested a while back, if he just threw in some super low differential gears in his V6 or put a SC on his V6 he could way more "low end torque" feeling and roast tires at low RPM with that setup too.

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[Fatguy]

You keep on saying this, but you fail to reailize that just because it has an iron block does not mean it's going to be a pig. No one upgrades their brakes and suspension when adding on 100+lbs worth of supercharger, fluids and inter-cooler. No one upgrades their brakes when throwing on a 700rwhp turbo kit. Why do you think the suspension and brakes are going to need to be upgraded for an extra 100-150lbs worth of engine?

If he has a passenger that’s 150 pounds, so better get those 6 piston Brembos on the V6 (instead of the previous gen’s GT brakes ). 4 passengers- that an extra 450pounds!


Call the police!


NO BRAKES!


DANGER WILL ROBINSON! DANGER!!!!!

 

[Fatguy]

But that's the exact part Fatguy keeps saying why he wants an engine with big low RPM torque ... he's not interested in screaming around at high RPM to get HP. He want's a 'stump puller' in his Mustang. He's said it about 3 dozen times. But guys (and then more new guys) keep jumping in and arguing with him like he wants to do it to smoke everything on the road. I think the only thing he's interested in smoking is that bong posted a above (and dream about a BB swap), and/or his rear tires once in awhile - lol.

But as suggested a while back, if he just threw in some super low differential gears in his V6 or put a SC on his V6 he could way more "low end torque" feeling and roast tires at low RPM with that setup too.

Fats is a student of philosophy.


He is interested in a performance car that gives its torque and horsepower at rpm ranges everyone here uses on their drive to work. Give the driver max horsepower and torque at relatively low rpms. Makes sense doesn’t it? They spend over 97 percent of the time there anyway.


It’s a different philosophy of engine performance. One of the reasons this thread is so long is because the ideas behind it are not the rants of a complete mad man. There is a grain of intelligence there. It goes against the current wisdom of the day, but that is no reason to discount the idea’s validity.


The more emotional statements really talk about performance of a “diesel” engine in a Mustang. Even I will agree that putting a diesel in a Mustang is crazy. So no diesel, but we are putting in a iron block truck motor which is way lighter. How many of you have driven a modern performance car with a truck engine in it tuned just like a truck application? It won’t handle like a dump truck because the motor is in a light short wheelbase performance car! My guess is none.



So why not keep an open mind on the idea. You never know...

 

[WildHorse]

6.2 gas bore spacing is 4.53 in (115.1 mm), compared to the Modular's 3.937 in (100.0 mm). Now in the video
the 7.3 gas bore spacing is larger than the 6.2. Which will add some substantial length. 6.2L gas = 34" length.
Bet on the 7.3 on being 36". Now go get your tape measurer and see if you got room. Firewall to rad. And don't
forget too add for pulleys, hoses, etc. Let's us know the results.

 

[Fatguy]

6.2 gas bore spacing is 4.53 in (115.1 mm), compared to the Modular's 3.937 in (100.0 mm). Now in the video
the 7.3 gas bore spacing is larger than the 6.2. Which will add some substantial length. 6.2L gas = 34" length.
Bet on the 7.3 on being 36". Now go get your tape measurer and see if you got room. Firewall to rad. And don't
forget too add for pulleys, hoses, etc. Let's us know the results.

Try not to be so boring.


Yes this is the last question in my mind. The others have been answered. And it depends. They are not perfect squares. You will just have to see.


You guys are the types that always find a reason not to do something new. Then when someone you know does something new and scores, you get all depressed and beat yourself up about it. Then you go back to your timid little ways.



When I decided to gamble on some stuff in my life I got the old: “Chances are it will fail, and the money involved!” Almost the exact words. Now if I’m about to run into them on the street they scatter like cockroaches under the light. Because guys like me remind them of the “what could have been” in their lives if they just took a calculated chance.


Don’t be one of those guys...


Trying something like this is not a shoe in. But so far no deal breakers.

 

[Fatguy]

6.2 gas bore spacing is 4.53 in (115.1 mm), compared to the Modular's 3.937 in (100.0 mm). Now in the video
the 7.3 gas bore spacing is larger than the 6.2. Which will add some substantial length. 6.2L gas = 34" length.
Bet on the 7.3 on being 36". Now go get your tape measurer and see if you got room. Firewall to rad. And don't
forget too add for pulleys, hoses, etc. Let's us know the results.

And to be perfectly clear...


What I’m getting at is guys who look for a reason not to try something and guys that give it a go. Say it fits even though it’s long then you say - what about the electronics, then you say what about this, what about that, what about the cost, no heated and cooled seats? It never ends with these guys.


Look at the length problem as a challenge instead of a reason to be a quitter. Some of you should have taken sports and tried some real competition that tests you. There is a solution for every problem and it isn’t to quit the idea.


Thank God you guys were not involved in the Apollo space program. They had a problem cleaning the air to breath. To bad for them (the astronauts) as we won’t try. Which football teams are playing tonight. We’ll send the condolences to the families tomorrow...




https://www.popsci.com/article/technology/greatest-space-hack-ever

 

[BmacIL]

Thank God you guys were not involved in the Apollo space program. They had a problem cleaning the air to breath.

Keep belittling engineers as you have been then, as they're the ones who solved those truly awesome problems. Keep saying science isn't reality. Engineering is the practical application of science. Philosophy didn't get anyone anywhere. For many of us, those engineers who made Apollo possible are idols.

People are trying to tell you everything that's involved in doing a swap such as this and you're telling them their FACTS don't matter. That's why they think you an idiot.

 

[Fatguy]

Keep belittling engineers as you have been then, as they're the ones who solved those truly awesome problems. Keep saying science isn't reality. Engineering is the practical application of science. Philosophy didn't get anyone anywhere. For many of us, those engineers who made Apollo possible are idols.

People are trying to tell you everything that's involved in doing a swap such as this and you're telling them their FACTS don't matter. That's why they think you an idiot.

Perhaps I would have a better opinion of engineers if (and I’m not talk about all) they had better manners. If they didn’t name call. Belittle others. Belittle the other’s chosen fields of interest - how smug. Stick to the issues and not rely on social tactics. And if unsuccessful, try to close down discussion. Why not be polite and articulate ambassadors of your profession. And engineering is a profession and so one should act like professionals. I’m the truck driver and I don’t act like you guys...


I’m not the first doing that swap myself. Said so many times. Someone else will and then we shall see. Probably a business and not individuals. If so then pull out the credit card.


BTW: the arguments about science and it’s limitations are valid talking points. It (science) is popular as of late because it can be monitized. The human race is no more
self-actualized than it was 1000 years ago. We praise that which can be monitized. It’s the culture. But don’t confuse the two as there is a difference.

 

[JPSTANG]

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[WildHorse]

@Fatguy

Now go get your tape measurer and see if you got room

Did it for you.

Firewall to Radiator = 36"
Firewall to radiator fan = 31"
Inside strut mount to inside strut mount = 36"
motor mount @ K-frame to top of fender = 17"

So your choices are for engine fitment:
1. cut out a substantial amount of firewall. Or:
2. move the rad support forward.

Moving the support forward will but more then 1/2 the engine in front of the front tires.
Cutting out the firewall will require a huge effort to relocate/mount the dash, and everything associated with it.

The 7.3 intake design requires a completely redesigned hood.
The 7.3 air intake will need to be fabricated.
The 7.3 air motor mounts will need to be fabricated.
The 7.3 exhaust will need to be fabricated.
The 7.3 bellhousing adaptor will need to be fabricated.
The 7.3 fuel system will have to be adapted.
The 7.3 cooling/heater hoses will need to be fabricated.
No way the a/c will clear, custom idler gears will need to be fabricated.
Etc., etc.

There will be no aftermarket support.

In the end you'll have a structurally unsafe, nose heavy turd that may or may not be quicker than
the A10 Coyote.

But hey, at least you get your 3000 rpm sweet spot burnout

 

[Erik427]

6.2 gas bore spacing is 4.53 in (115.1 mm), compared to the Modular's 3.937 in (100.0 mm). Now in the video
the 7.3 gas bore spacing is larger than the 6.2. Which will add some substantial length. 6.2L gas = 34" length.
Bet on the 7.3 on being 36". Now go get your tape measurer and see if you got room. Firewall to rad. And don't
forget too add for pulleys, hoses, etc. Let's us know the results.

Already been done......it fits with ease.
I believe the bore spacing is around 4.6 inches and there is no huge timing cover that adds considerable length.
You should see a Coyote sitting flange to flange with a SBF or LS Chevy.....real eye opener.
The 5.0 is not a short motor as packaged.......

 

[Erik427]

@Fatguy

Did it for you.

Firewall to Radiator = 36"
Firewall to radiator fan = 31"
Inside strut mount to inside strut mount = 36"
motor mount @ K-frame to top of fender = 17"

So your choices are for engine fitment:
1. cut out a substantial amount of firewall. Or:
2. move the rad support forward.

Moving the support forward will but more then 1/2 the engine in front of the front tires.
Cutting out the firewall will require a huge effort to relocate/mount the dash, and everything associated with it.

The 7.3 intake design requires a completely redesigned hood.
The 7.3 air intake will need to be fabricated.
The 7.3 air motor mounts will need to be fabricated.
The 7.3 exhaust will need to be fabricated.
The 7.3 bellhousing adaptor will need to be fabricated.
The 7.3 fuel system will have to be adapted.
The 7.3 cooling/heater hoses will need to be fabricated.
No way the a/c will clear, custom idler gears will need to be fabricated.
Etc., etc.

There will be no aftermarket support.

In the end you'll have a structurally unsafe, nose heavy turd that may or may not be quicker than
the A10 Coyote.

But hey, at least you get your 3000 rpm sweet spot burnout

LOL.......Aftermarket is already gearing up.
Your worse nightmare is coming true.....better hide under the covers.

 

[WildHorse]

LOL.......Aftermarket is already gearing up.

Already been done......it fits with ease.
I believe the bore spacing is around 4.6 inches and there is no huge timing cover that adds considerable length.
You should see a Coyote sitting flange to flange with a SBF or LS Chevy.....real eye opener.
The 5.0 is not a short motor as packaged.......

You're so full of shit.

 

[BmacIL]

Perhaps I would have a better opinion of engineers if (and I’m not talk about all) they had better manners. If they didn’t name call. Belittle others. Belittle the other’s chosen fields of interest - how smug. Stick to the issues and not rely on social tactics. And if unsuccessful, try to close down discussion. Why not be polite and articulate ambassadors of your profession. And engineering is a profession and so one should act like professionals. I’m the truck driver and I don’t act like you guys...


I’m not the first doing that swap myself. Said so many times. Someone else will and then we shall see. Probably a business and not individuals. If so then pull out the credit card.


BTW: the arguments about science and it’s limitations are valid talking points. It (science) is popular as of late because it can be monitized. The human race is no more
self-actualized than it was 1000 years ago. We praise that which can be monitized. It’s the culture. But don’t confuse the two as there is a difference.

Stop saying unintelligent stuff like your last paragraph and you'll stop getting called out. You do not have valid talking points here. It has nothing to do with being monitized and everything to do with understanding how the world works. I feel sorry for you that you can't (don't want to) grasp that. You've never done any real science. You've never used the tools that great and brilliant people before us have created and used to understand our world and universe. Until you have, your dismissal of them will continue to be met with ridicule, of the particularly harsh kind. It's people like you who allow for or enable anti-vax movements and celebrity idiot politicians.

 

[Erik427]

You're so full of shit.

Coyote depending on what generation can match the ls in length.
I've had both side by side......the Coyote dwarfs the ls and the SBF.
The 6.2 Ford is just freaking huge to the point of being absurd.

You're trying to say that a wedge headed medium block pushrod motor won't sit in the foot print of a Coyote.

The aftermarket won't develop a intake?

Trying to mislead people into thinking the 7.3 will not bolt up to the A-10.

Even stated something about heater hoses......

The 7.3 fits just fine.
The 385 Series fits in that engine bay.
427 Cammer does too.

Seriously?

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