Am I crazy or just logical?

[Norm Peterson]

The difference being that a GDI engine can't use its fuel as a solvent for even that relatively small volume of oil.


Norm

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[UAmach1]

Since the new ZR1 has dual fuel i bet whatever engine goes in the C8 gets dual fuel too. I was all for Direct Injection 4 years ago then you start seeing pictures of the build up it's really a turn off. I'm glad Ford did it the right way and hopefully we'll have evidence in a year or so that the valves have stayed clean.

Well they learned from the Ecoboosts.

 

[1mic]

On the Big Willow lap time they are tied. The GT350R is prob a little faster IMO. But the 1LE being that close is pretty impressive.

Tied does not mean faster, what about all the other times everywhere else? I'm sure the GT350R is faster.

 

[UAmach1]

Tied does not mean faster, what about all the other times everywhere else? I'm sure the GT350R is faster.

I don't think they were run the same day so its not a direct comparison.

 

[Syphon23]

I don't think they were run the same day so its not a direct comparison.

The fact that it is that close is a loss for Ford.

 

[Norm Peterson]

I wouldn't go quite that far . . . that Ford could have compromised still less, probably. But even that needs more than just a comparison made at only one track; there's probably a bit of circuit dependency going on that favors one of these cars on some courses and the other on different tracks.


Norm

 

[Hack]

The fact that it is that close is a loss for Ford.

Definitely track times can get some people to buy or at least try the Camaro. I went out and test drove a Camaro to see whether I liked it or not. I found a used 2016 2SS manual car to try that the previous owner dumped and got a Corvette instead. I think the Camaro is a good car, but I like my Mustang more. And not just a little bit more. I was very happy to jump back in my two year old Mustang and drive it back home.

The track times are only a loss for Ford if they translate to Camaro sales rather than Mustang sales. The track time numbers have been out for quite a while and Mustang sales are still dominating heavily. Must mean that the numbers by themselves aren't the only thing people care about when buying a car, huh?

 

[z31maniac]

The maps were posted here ages ago, at idle, and quite a few revs beyond, the car is just at PI. The DI comes in when it's needed. Clean as a whistle I'd say. Ford have learned from all the others with DI and done it right.

IE, copying what Toyota started more than a decade ago.

Some of you guys REALLY need to look at automotive tech besides what happens on the mustang.

 

[bootlegger]

IE, copying what Toyota started more than a decade ago.

Some of you guys REALLY need to look at automotive tech besides what happens on the mustang.

Meh, my company was the first to do gasoline direct injection in automotive applications over 60 years ago. None of it is that new.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Must mean that the numbers by themselves aren't the only thing people care about when buying a car, huh?

No, performance stats aren't the only thing. Not in this car vs comparison or in one, maybe two, of the choices I make before it even gets to the car vs car level.

There's about 25,000 members here, and I doubt that road course lap times mean much to even 1% of that. And it's probably reasonable to assume that site membership here is somewhat more enthusiast-oriented than the average Mustang customer including non-members who walks in some showroom door.


Norm

 

[Fatguy]

No, performance stats aren't the only thing. Not in this car vs comparison or in one, maybe two, of the choices I make before it even gets to the car vs car level.

There's about 25,000 members here, and I doubt that road course lap times mean much to even 1% of that. And it's probably reasonable to assume that site membership here is somewhat more enthusiast-oriented than the average Mustang customer including non-members who walks in some showroom door.


Norm

True Norm.

If you have some miles on you like me at 58, I look at these kids and wonder sometimes. Very few of these guys will ever go to a track let alone have the driving skills to negotiate a track without embarrassment which is why they don’t go to the track in the first place. Many will go to the local drag strip at least once and that is about it. I did work beside two guys who were in the Honda Michelin Challenge in my neck of the woods, back in the day, and the guy who spent the least on his car consistently placed while the other that spent money like a drunken sailor would finish but never got competitive. At that level there was also sponsorship. I also delivered tires to Paul Tracy and his dad when he was go cart racing as a kid. So - I will admit that for some the performance stuff does matter and is worth all the talk, and that it can happen in your own little corner of the world. In the end it was skill in driving that made the difference – not checking off a box on an order sheet. You can't buy daring, you can’t’ buy the will to win. Not just driving but in any sport.

In this internet world most here will just see that I say I drive a V6 Mustang and make a snap judgement about everything. They don’t know a clue about me – and I like it that way. But I was at the drag strip watching in the mid-sixties and even got hands on back then with what looked like a top fuel dragster of that time, sitting in it working the steering wheel which was one of those butterfly affairs. From that moment on I was hooked! Anyway, cars don’t matter much if you are really interested in competition. Do autocross and look at the cars used there. Heck, I once saw this guy at this lunch time parking lot slalom race ripping the shit out of this brand new Alfa Romeo (flames coming out the tail pipe) and one of the guys said “He’s really ripping the shit out of that car!” with another that said: “Its because that’s his boss's car!” so you can do racing even without owning a fast ride! Just say ‘in...

 

[Zelek]

I'm trying to look up information on carbon buildup in the newer 2015+ Mazda's with their Direction Injection Skyactiv engines. I can't find anything. Only stuff on the older ones.

"To eliminate the problem of intake valve deposits that plague current direct gasoline injection engines, the engineers at Mazda determined that deposits are formed when intake valve temperatures fall below 400 degrees C. Measures were taken so that the intake valve would operate above this point to reduce deposit formation."

"One of the biggest issues with direct injection engines is a build up of deposits on the intake valve. Mazda determined that this was largely due to the intake valve being too cool. A lot of analysis went into designing the heat paths away from the valves to keep them at the proper temperature to avoid deposit formation."

One of the reasons I bought my Mazda for daily driving. They actually explain their engineering processes in depth.

 

[1mic]

The fact that it is that close is a loss for Ford.

It isnt a loss for Ford if they arent taking money off MSRP. Which is what is happening to every camaro except maybe the ZL1 1LE. Yes, even the ZL1 is getting discounted.

 

[Norm Peterson]

True Norm.

If you have some miles on you like me at 58...

Let's just say I got my license about the time the original Mustang debuted ;).

But even though I was driving during the original musclecars' heyday, I was still drawn more toward road courses and handling. So it's good to see cars and option packages finally aimed at the corner-carving enthusiast.

Somewhere along the way it occurred to me that performance driving is part car, part driver, and part road (or track, as the case may be). Not necessarily in that order.


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

The fact that it is that close is a loss for Ford.

All that can truly be said is that it was a moral victory for Chevy. That comparatively the 1LE punched above its weight (i.e. price or exclusivity) class.


Norm

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