June 2017 Mustang Sales

[speedfrk]

Car sales are down industry wide with some gains in suv sales. Cars are simply not flying out the door like they did in 2015.

Yeah, but as people have noted, Challenger sales are up and beat both Mustang and Camaro which might be the first time that has ever happened- and Ram outsold Silverado last month too from what I've heard.

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[bluebeastsrt]

The Camaro6 idiots, in particular Medisin, like to spew out the "fleet sales vs retail sales" shit because it's the only metric where the Gen6 Camaro has a sales lead. They go on about residual value, etc.

Fuck them, a sale is a sale. Is a retail sale more preferable? Sure..but as long as the car sells at a profit, it's okay by me. I'm just a shareholder at Ford, not an employee or a board member, so my perspective is limited.

LOL the dude probably works at the counter for AVIS. Some insider knowledge on the subject.

 

[JonEcoyote]

Yeah, but as people have noted, Challenger sales are up and beat both Mustang and Camaro which might be the first time that has ever happened- and Ram outsold Silverado last month too from what I've heard.

Dodge's marketing is leaps and bounds better than GM and light years ahead of Ford's, that's what we are seeing.

 

[02gtnh]

The Camaro6 idiots, in particular Medisin, like to spew out the "fleet sales vs retail sales" shit because it's the only metric where the Gen6 Camaro has a sales lead. They go on about residual value, etc.

Fuck them, a sale is a sale. Is a retail sale more preferable? Sure..but as long as the car sells at a profit, it's okay by me. I'm just a shareholder at Ford, not an employee or a board member, so my perspective is limited.

I think what there are saying is that retail sales are people like you and me. We come to the lot, look at cars and buy the one we want. We make sale based off taste and feel of the car. So in retail, both the Mustang and Camaro are very close. So these sales are based of what people want in the real world. These are also manufacturing best profits also. Fleet sales are based off volume discounts to companies or rental fleets, so it's not based off personal taste, but cost. Very very little profit is made. GM has decided not to follow this anymore, and to a degree, I don't blame them. They need to sell close to 6-8 Camaro's to a fleet to make the profit of one retail sale. That's a lot of extra work for not much return. We buy our company trucks in fleet sales, and the price we pay is way way below msrp. We also get 100,000 mile warranty instead of normal 60,000 that comes with retail sales. Now we as a company love fleet sales as it saves our overhead and a lot of money.:cheers:

 

[thehunterooo]

It won't make your car any faster or better. Not sure why you always jump in here to say that. You make the same comment on every sales thread.

Because it would be funny to read about it on the Camaro forums that's why.

Looks like the June sales will not hit the front page. I guess it makes sense to try to hide the low numbers.

 

[Zodiac]

I don't wish to see the demise of any performance car. Sadly CUV sales are booming and cars just aren't selling like they used to. There is nothing wrong with the 3 pony/muscle/sports cars from GM/FCA/Ford. Hell the refreshes they did to the Challenger are phenomenal IMO. Love the new grill and rear lights.

Mustang- cheapest entry, large aftermarket, perfect for taking out a crowd (I kid) plenty of interior room and usable cargo space
Challenger- best looking (my opinion, and it's not for discussion because again it's an opinion) best cruiser, most interior space.
Camaro- objective visibility issues, cramped interior, best out of the box performance, little storage/cargo space.

If finances and space provided I would easily have one of each.

These threads on both sides of the forum make me laugh. Unfortunately I have yet to find a Challenger sales thread.

 

[TomcatDriver]

Challenger- best looking (my opinion, and it's not for discussion because again it's an opinion)

Since when are opinions not up for discussion....on the internet??

I don't really have anything against the Challenger looks, but I think they took the whole retro styling a step too far. If you time-warped an S550 or 6G Camaro back to 1967 people would be stunned by the cars of the future. I don't think they would look twice at a Challenger.

 

[Zodiac]

Since when are opinions not up for discussion....on the internet??

I don't really have anything against the Challenger looks, but I think they took the whole retro styling a step too far. If you time-warped an S550 or 6G Camaro back to 1967 people would be stunned by the cars of the future. I don't think they would look twice at a Challenger.

Touché, I definitely agree with the retro thing. I would love to see peoples reactions to these cars in the say 60's or 70's. Since we can't go back in time your point is moot

 

[speedfrk]

I don't wish to see the demise of any performance car. Sadly CUV sales are booming and cars just aren't selling like they used to. There is nothing wrong with the 3 pony/muscle/sports cars from GM/FCA/Ford. Hell the refreshes they did to the Challenger are phenomenal IMO. Love the new grill and rear lights.

Mustang- cheapest entry, large aftermarket, perfect for taking out a crowd (I kid) plenty of interior room and usable cargo space
Challenger- best looking (my opinion, and it's not for discussion because again it's an opinion) best cruiser, most interior space.
Camaro- objective visibility issues, cramped interior, best out of the box performance, little storage/cargo space.

If finances and space provided I would easily have one of each.

These threads on both sides of the forum make me laugh. Unfortunately I have yet to find a Challenger sales thread.

Here you go... http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f5/challenger-finally-does-595145/

The Challenger guys are amazingly low key about all this stuff. Almost like it doesn't really matter to them. There are a few fanboys, of course, but nothing like I see on Mustang or Camaro forums where people's self-worth is tied to the car they drive.
Retro is still pretty big- Harley sells all there stuff based on retro appeal. In the custom bike world, cafe/naked bikes are all the rage. Ducati's best selling bike is the Scrambler. It pushes the right buttons for a lot of people. I've had guys literally hanging out their window giving me a thumbs up on I-20 a couple of time in the Challenger. Never had that happen in the Mustang. It does seem to have a certain "presence" that appeals to people.

 

[aspensilver]

I get 4 of the national car mags every month (Car & Driver, Motor Trend, Road & Track, Automobile). I am biased, as a Mustang owner, but it seems these mags go out of their way to praise GM vehicles. I am paraphrasing but one comment I read on a recent, long term test of a '16 Camaro SS..."take away the Camaro's many flaws and the Mustang would be irrelevant"......LOL, sure.

I read that article and in context to me it seemed fair. They complained a lot about the flaws everyone complains about - visibility, vents, trunk space, back seat room.

The Camaro in current form has tech that is way ahead of the S550. The '18 will address that. In current form the Camaro is a superior car in straight line and on the track. However, for most these cars are daily drivers, not track or drag cars. That's why the Camaro fails, and those aren't insignificant flaws, and they certainly pointed them out.

I'm not saying that Motortrend doesn't have a GM slant, but I didn't see this in the article. If I had to take one to the track or drag strip (handful of days a year) it would be the camaro. For the other 355 days the mustang is better. If they could make the Camaro the 365 car, it would win the war IMO. The important end of the pony car wars is the DD aspect, not the track/drag aspect. It's a package.

What I mean is that I agree with you but the status quo for the 'wise' members here is that base should have as little as possible in it because all that matters is getting that V8.

Haha, gotcha. Everyone has a smart phone with a bigger screen than the base, it's gotten really bad since the S550 came out in late '14. Ford has buyer with $250 smart phones with bigger better looking screen than some of their 25-35K cars. In late '14 I would have considered a base, now no way never ever.

I think the numbers over time show that you have to cater more to the DD market, Challenger does that well, so does the Mustang (minus the fugly base console/screen). Mustang needs to focus on DD improvements, still shocked the '18 is keeping that joke of a console. The Magnaride isn't gonna push the needle much, Camaro's superior track times did nothing for sales.

Most folks don't push their car anywhere near the limit, but everyone sees the screen/console. I'd say happy pony car buyers are looking for a nice engine, great DD package/looks, but they don't really go around twisties at high speeds.

 

[TomcatDriver]

Most folks don't push their car anywhere near the limit, but everyone sees the screen/console. I'd say happy pony car buyers are looking for a nice engine, great DD package/looks, but they don't really go around twisties at high speeds.

Has anyone seen the old base head unit in an 18?

"take away the Camaro's many flaws and the Mustang would be irrelevant"

I found that particularly entertaining, as it could be said about anything. If my 'mama had wheels she'd be a go-kart.

 

[Madigon]

Love that the Challenger is slowly climbing against all reason

 

[MustangJoe84]

I want to dislike the Challenger but for me I still find myself turning my head to see a new one go by on the road. I keep telling myself it is too big, outdated etc.. but I will be at the Mopar Nationals taking in the sights and passion the owners have. It has a presence that I cant explain. The retro touches are spot on (roofline, grill, tail). IMO my 2015 GT is the most beautifully designed Modern car I have seen in decades and I will have forever. Great to have choices in today's auto market before the electric cars take over.

 

[thehunterooo]

Here you go... http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f5/challenger-finally-does-595145/

The Challenger guys are amazingly low key about all this stuff. Almost like it doesn't really matter to them. There are a few fanboys, of course, but nothing like I see on Mustang or Camaro forums where people's self-worth is tied to the car they drive.
Retro is still pretty big- Harley sells all there stuff based on retro appeal. In the custom bike world, cafe/naked bikes are all the rage. Ducati's best selling bike is the Scrambler. It pushes the right buttons for a lot of people. I've had guys literally hanging out their window giving me a thumbs up on I-20 a couple of time in the Challenger. Never had that happen in the Mustang. It does seem to have a certain "presence" that appeals to people.

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[Bullitt]

Haha, gotcha. Everyone has a smart phone with a bigger screen than the base, it's gotten really bad since the S550 came out in late '14. Ford has buyer with $250 smart phones with bigger better looking screen than some of their 25-35K cars. In late '14 I would have considered a base, now no way never ever.

I think the numbers over time show that you have to cater more to the DD market, Challenger does that well, so does the Mustang (minus the fugly base console/screen). Mustang needs to focus on DD improvements, still shocked the '18 is keeping that joke of a console. The Magnaride isn't gonna push the needle much, Camaro's superior track times did nothing for sales.

Most folks don't push their car anywhere near the limit, but everyone sees the screen/console. I'd say happy pony car buyers are looking for a nice engine, great DD package/looks, but they don't really go around twisties at high speeds.

I agree 100%. We did see that the 2018 Orange Fury GTPP at the photoshoot in Austin had the bigger screen and cloth interior. So I'm hoping Ford is doing the right thing for 2018 and making it standard equipment. I'm eager to see the actual order guide to know whether that car was a pre-production oddball or Ford is finally seeing the light.

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